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You are in the Subaru Forester
What is this discussion about?
Subaru Forester, Wagon
Dec 26, 2001 (8:14 am)
Steve: I think what irks some people, perhaps yourself, is these stupid commercials with the drivers tearing through trails at high speeds, ripping apart everything in their path. Those are simply irresponsible.
paisan: you'd like the Aussie Forester that one of the buys on the Yahoo Forester Club built. He removed both bumpers and installed massive skid plates front and rear, along with a lift, taller springs, and big tires. It look more or less like an angry cartoon character, but with his low range he can keep up with some of the best.
I can't believe PhotoPoint is still down, else I'd share a photo.
Forester, Outback, or CR-V? Well, I think Honda purchased a Forester and reverse-engineered it to create the new CR-V. Look at engine size, power and torque output, and the built-in roof rails and you might agree with me.
Still, Honda targeted the 1998 Forester, while Subaru is about to launch a 2003 model. Their 3/36 warranty is just about ridiculous in this day and age, reliable or not, they should stand behind their product.
How many kids do you have? If you have 1, the Forester is fine. 2-3 would push me into an Outback, though. The 5/60 warranty, the presence of Patti from SoA, and the cult-like feeling from owners seals the deal.
Dec 26, 2001 (8:39 am)
How significant the AWD is depends on you and your driving circumstances. I could see it being very important if you lived where streets are often snowy or icy (e.g. Gunnison), or if you travel over the high passes during the winter.
Same is true wrt interior roominess. How has your current vehicle served you? Compare it's size with the Forester etc. to see if it will be big enough.
But the most important thing is to drive all the vehicles you are interested in as much as possible. That way you can see which one YOU like best, which is the only thing that matters. (Although, I think the dealer is also very important.)
As far as options go, I think only the L model is stocked without any options in this region (Colorado). I found that the S came with 2 different packages of options, so I choose one with the fewest options. I didn't look into the S+, but I would expect it to be similar. I think your salesman is right that the only way to get it plain is to order it, but if you were going to do that you should probably wait to see what the new one is like.
Dec 26, 2001 (9:52 am)
To search for any type of Subaru try the SoA website www.subaru.com, and follow the links to View Dealer Inventory and follow the instructions. I was able to get find an 'S' without any options at the dealership near my work. I then bought the armrest and rubber floor mats at www.1stsubaruparts.com which is a Soob dealer in Washington state. You will want the arm rest.
As far as space, my kiddos are soon to be 5 and 2, and on the way home from the dealership I could feel the younger daughter pushing her feet against the back of the driver's seat. I'm around 5'11" for reference. Yes it is tight back there.
I considered the Honda CR-V too, but at the time the dealership I was working with would not sell below MSRP and did not have any for immediate delivery. I have since found out that it might pay to try the "Internet" salesperson at several dealers to get a better price. The Subaru dealership gave me a better price for my trade in, and, oh alright, I'll admit it, I wanted to see what heated seats were like, and the answer is, yes, they are nice.
I have a complaint about the CR-V that goes like this: I insisted that my next car was to have ABS. To get ABS you need to get the EX, which also has a moonroof. Now with that moonroof you loose some headroom, and whatever value the folding tray between the front seats has, it is negated by the lack of height to get to the back seats to get at your kids strapped into the car seats.
Dec 26, 2001 (12:22 pm)
No moonroof, heated seats? That would mean either a Forester S or a base Outback with the all-weather package.
With the 2 kids, I'd lean towards the Outback, but peek at the next Forester before you take the dive.
Dec 26, 2001 (12:33 pm)
Is it me or is it me using Opera browser causing double posting? I swear I did not post twice.
#3699 of 18028 re: double posting
Dec 26, 2001 (1:44 pm)
I am not sure what the problem is yet but I've
seen it on quite a few boards today.
#3701 of 18028 Dangerous Snow Performance with OEM Tires
Dec 26, 2001 (5:04 pm)
Still no response from SOA. The OEM Bridgestones and Geolanders on the Forester L & S are at best marginal in snow, in slush, in cold at freezing rain.
Does a manufacturer of an AWD owe consumers at least a warning?
Don't blame the messenger again guys...this is not Dallas, San Diego, Recife, or even Brooklyn. We buy these cars for transportation in all weather found in most of North America.
Please, no excuses SOA...and no polite marketing( we understand your pain stuff). You are aware that these tires are poor in snow....aren't you?
And: the Bridgestones wear poorly. Replaced at 26,000 miles ! C'mon.
#3702 of 18028 SF Bay Area drives and hikes
Dec 26, 2001 (5:43 pm)
I live in the Bay Area and you're right -- lots of Subarus here. In fact, the largest volume dealer in North America is located here.
Which part of the Bay Area are you looking at? We're blessed with lots of great hikes and drives. Here's a brief overview, let me know if you want details.
North Bay -- Try the Marin headlands, just north of the Golden Gate bridge. There lots of highways around Mt. Tam.
East Bay -- Up behind Berkeley, there are a lot of hiking trails in Tilden Park. There's also quite a bit of scenic driving along Wildcat Canyon Road.
Peninsula -- Lots of wildlife perserves off of Skyline Blvd. The drive is great and you'll be rewarded by great hikes among redwoods. For some real twisties, try taking Rt. 9 towards the coast.