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#17902 of 18028 NHTSA complaints
Aug 30, 2006 (1:59 pm)
This was probably my favorite:
ON MARCH 20, 2006, THE SYMMETRICAL ALL WHEEL DRIVE SYSTEM OF MY 2005 SUBARU FORRESTER XT FAILED, THE VEHICLE FISHTAILED AND DRIFTED, RESULTING IN A ROLLOVER, AND SEVERE BODILY INJURY. THE VEHICLE WAS SO FLIMSY, IT WAS DISGUSTING. EVERY DOOR AND WINDOW OPENING COLLAPSED, GLASS FLEW EVERYWHERE. THE CEILING COLLAPSED ON THE PASSENGERS' HEADS. THIS IS A DEATH CAR. *NM
It's sad that the car was destroyed and people were hurt - my heart goes out to them - but I've seen photos of Forester rollovers, and it would have had to have been at a pretty high rate of speed for the car to be destroyed like that. Not to mention that AWD isn't the same as traction control, and neither is going to prevent every type of accident. The bulk of that responsibility rests on the driver.
#17903 of 18028 Re: NHTSA complaints [dstew1]
Aug 30, 2006 (2:09 pm)
And so what if he was high? Being high didn't make the car so damn flimsy! And imagine glass, flying everywhere, possibly hurting others, when he rolled it going 65 MPH. They just don't make quality glass these days!
#17904 of 18028 Re: NHTSA complaints [dstew1]
Aug 30, 2006 (2:10 pm)
Let's analyze, shall we?
We're expected to believe this person has owned one for 2 years or so and cannot SPELL Forester?
SYMMETRICAL ALL WHEEL DRIVE SYSTEM ...RESULTING IN A ROLLOVER
As if the driver behind the wheel had nothing to do with it.
Here's the real story. Some teenager took mom's Forester out for a joy ride, lost control, and then made up this story. They went to NHTSA because they figured documenting this bogus story would let them off easily with their parents for what was actually wreckless driving.
In actuality, this "DEATH CAR" is the IIHS' safest in class:
#17905 of 18028 Re: NHTSA complaints [ateixeira]
Aug 30, 2006 (2:13 pm)
"Here's the real story. Some teenager took mom's Forester out for a joy ride, lost control, and then made up this story. They went to NHTSA because they figured documenting this bogus story would let them off easily with their parents for what was actually wreckless driving."
Some Attorney told them to do that, so he might get a fat check, his 40% of the damage settlement for shifting the blame from the driver to the car.
#17906 of 18028 Re: NHTSA complaints [terry92270]
Aug 30, 2006 (2:15 pm)
The problem with these NHTSA complaints is that anyone can enter them and they don't have to be verified.
Unless you notice a clear pattern of problems, you can't really call the data significant. With the CR-V engines fires, we saw dozens of reports, I think it was up to 60+ by the time all was said and done.
When I see a dozen roll overs, I'll be concerned.
#17907 of 18028 Re: NHTSA complaints [terry92270]
Aug 30, 2006 (2:40 pm)
Some Attorney told them to do that ...
Hey, you guys just don't get it! If there were no Foresters then no one would roll over in them. Shame on Subaru!
Aug 31, 2006 (6:34 am)
The only one I've seen an actual photo of was the guy from Australia that had a huge 4" lift, Lovell springs, big tires, the works.
His Forester rolled while on an off road trip. It was a '98 or '99, but it held up amazingly well. None of the glass broke at all. The passenger cell was completely intact. Of course he was traveling slowly at the time.
Not a stock suspension, plus most rollovers are "tripped", they don't just roll by themselves (Jeep Liberty excepted).
#17909 of 18028 Scratch another competitor off the list
Sep 01, 2006 (7:17 am)
It looks like the Outlander no longer competes with the Forester. It has followed the lead of the RAV-4 and has gotten bigger and more crossover-like, with an optional (and useless) third seating row and is of course slushbox-only. Based on early reports it seems as if the new CR-V will also be a larger crossover.
As far as I can tell, the Forester's closest competitor is the Tuscon, and it's not all that close. The Forester is becoming more and more like a vehicle without true competition. The question remains: is this good or bad?
#17910 of 18028 Re: Scratch another competitor off the list [prosa]
Sep 01, 2006 (8:17 am)
Outlander, Sante Fe, RAV4, and XL7 have sort of created a new class, "former compact SUVS that are now near mid-size crossovers". Something like that. All offer 3 rows and aren't really compact any more.
CR-V is bigger but still no 3rd row. I think it's closest competitor will be the new Ford Edge.
Tucson slotted beneath the Santa Fe when that one grew, so it does compete with the Forester.
The Suzuki Grand Vitara is also just about Forester-sized.
The new Jeep Patriot even resembles the Forester, with its boxy green house. There's another.
Subaru has a difficult decision ahead of them. Do they stay in this class (which limits the prices they can charge) or move up in size along with most of the competition?
That might bump in to the Tribeca, though. Tough call.
#17911 of 18028 Re: Scratch another competitor off the list [ateixeira]
Sep 01, 2006 (8:51 am)
My vote would be to keep the Forester compact as it is now. I personally don't see a need in a big 7-seater. When we travel long distance as a whole family, we simply take 2 cars, to accommodate everyone comfortably.
That also makes it easier to allow for different activities for different members of the family. Say, my daughter and I want to go to the beach, and my husband and son want to play mini-golf - no problemo, we take our 2 cars and go wherever.
Although we find more and more often that children want us parents to go to the beach/mountains by ourselves and leave them in the house with pizza and computer games
Come to think of it, I spend 90% time alone in the car, about 8% time driving with someone in a passenger seat, and only 2% of time I have someone on the back seat.
If by chance we ever need a bigger 1 vehicle for the whole family to fit in, we'd simply rent a minivan.