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#391 of 3279 DXL vs '92 2500 4wd Sub 7.4L, 4.10 rear
Mar 03, 2001 (6:35 pm)
Been out of town for a while and just got back. Long post to catch-up.
bmoss1: The '01 Denali XL has a 6.0L, 3.73 rear, 320hp and 365 ft. lbs. of torque with a tow capacity of 8400lbs compared to the '92 2500 Suburban with 7.4L, 4.10 rear, 230hp and 385 ft lbs of torque and a tow capacity of 10,000lbs.
The '01 3/4 ton 4wd comes in 4 variations: 8.1L, 4.10, 12,000lbs; 8.1L, 3.73, 10,500lbs; 6.0L, 4.10 10,000lbs; 6.0L, 3.73, 8,000lbs
I traded the '92 Sub in on the '01 DXL in January. The ride differences are like night and day. Didn't compare the new 3/4 ton to the old one, but I am sure there is a significant improvement. The 3/4 ton however, will always have a "bouncier" ride than the 1/2 ton due to the leaf springs in the rear. This is particularly true when the rear suspension is unsprung (no load).
The whole point of the leaf spring suspension is to provide for a greater loading on the rear suspension than a coil and shock setup could provide. The combination of the 4.10 rear with leaf springs (and the xtra torque of the 7.4L) are the reasons my '92 3/4 ton had a greater tow capacity even though the new DXL has greater hp.
In the end, I traded the xtra 1600 lbs tow capacity for the greater comfort of the 1/2 ton suspension in the DXL. BTW, for those with the 8.1L and 4.10 rear, where do you find a tow bar and ball with a 12,000 lb rating? The largest I have seen in catalogs is 10,000lbs.
If you have a heavy load that will be routinely towed, there is no match for the 3/4 ton Sub or YXL with 8.1L and 4.10 rear (literally, since no other non-commercial vehicle with 4 wheels can tow more than 12,000lbs). You just have to expect a bouncier ride compared to a current 1/2 ton.
It really comes down to the size of your tow package versus how comfortable you want to be when not towing. I had an 85' 3/4 ton Sub and a 92' 3/4 Sub before the '01 DXL. All were great vehicles and each was better than the next. I just wouldn't trade the comfort of the 1/2 ton for the 3/4 ton unless I had to. Maybe I'm just getting soft after alot of years of towing.
While I have not towed yet with the DXL (waiting for boating season) I am expecting similar and hoping for better tow performance out of the DXL than my '92 SUB. Additionally, the DXL has its own transmission which is heavier duty than the 1500 but not to the same level as the 2500. In my view, unless you have a major tow package, the DXL's tow capacity is in the "sweet spot".
Additionally, while the radio has nothing to do with towing (other than making the miles pass easier), you would never go back to the standard radio in a Yukon once you have heard the Bose in the Denali. It really is tremendous and has steering wheel controls not available in the Yukon or Sub. My comparison is with the sound system in my BMW 740iL which also has a really good sound system.
The Denali's come with a separate rear pod for the rear climate controls when it is ordered without the sunroof. With an aftermarket sunroof they simply reinstall the same pod with controls in approximately the same location. The ASC sunroof I had installed is the exact same sunroof (same dimensions) as the one installed from the factory. Cost about $200 more than factory list.
No, I haven't had "cold feet" syndrome in the front passenger floor area. I have front and rear climate control set-up.
I have had no problem with the tranny and no whining.
I agree with those posts on the interior fake wood. I really like the truck, however the plastic wood has got to go. It sucks and I plan on replacing it this Spring. If anyone gets ahead of me on this project I would be interested in what kit you install.
Can't really speak to pricing since I bought my DXL under the GMS Supplier program for about $100 under factory invoice.
Finally, has anyone heard if they have redesigned the Catch-all mats to accomodate the larger center console in the DXL vs YXL? Has anyone installed mud-flaps/splash guards on the rear of their DXL? If so, what did you install?
#392 of 3279 Catch Alls for Denali
Mar 03, 2001 (11:50 pm)
In reference to catch all mats for 01 Denali. I am now a expert in this area. After purchasing truck went straight to local after market shop to buy mats. After (2) attempts of Yukon & Suburban mats (which dont fit) I contacted Catch-All direct and found that they just released mats for Denali. They gave me the part # and the local warehouse had them in stock. I can't tell you how pleased I am with the fit. The 3rd seat\cargo area mat fits perfect with cut-outs for the removable third seat. I have not yet received the bill..... but I know there not cheap. To contact catch-all type www.niftyproducts.com
Mar 04, 2001 (2:25 am)
Just wanted to say hey. Couple people had questions about the DXL and I referenced you, so keep your eyes open for questions. Looks like you found a lot of them, I sent them to this page to ask. Hope your trip went well. BTW did you take the DXL? How was it on the open road if you did?
Your trans is the same as mine, in the Yukon XL, 4L80E, basically a TH400 with overdrive and a ton of electronics. It is the only trans that GM will put behind that motor. With the exception of the coming 5 speed auto from Allison. Your computer controls I believe are programmed for really soft almost un-noticable shifts, but the main guts and parts are identical.
I also believe that your engine and mine are the same as the Escalade, just uses a different PCM. I am checking into that with my uncle at the tech center, will keep you posted.
Are you sure about the overhead console? I have seen 6 different ones at my dealer and they all had the full overhead console, from the front controls just above the rear view mirror all the way to the back rear heat/air controls. All the ones with sunroofs had no rear controls, and the dealer said if I wanted a roof installed they would change the overhead consoles to the short front one and the "pod" for the rear, and that the roof installer orders them from the dealer as Yukon parts. It is just a plastic shell the stuff bolts into and gets re-mounted. They take them right to ASC, and that's who installs them. It still may be an option to get the long or short overhead consoles, and if that is the case maybe yours had the short one. If I remember you said you did not see the truck prior to the roof install, so..
#394 of 3279 Price and Extended Warranty
Mar 04, 2001 (6:41 am)
jorgensen: I had configured my Denali under Webcarbook thur my Nationwide membership, I was surprised at how accurate it was, almost to the penny without destination charges $765. I had read about everything at edmonds and was ready to hit my dealerships. The morning I arrived at Scholfield in Wichita, Ks they had just recieved a Denali from Minn. in trade for a 3/4 ton Yukon XL, Garnett Red, The block heater was the only extra i hadn,t configured in my car. I bought the car for $700 over invoice $44,900. I had a price through Nationwide, a factory direct purchase, of $44,200, Invoice, but I would have an estimated 10 week wait. I got to drive this car and it was perfect, so I took the bird in hand. I want a 6 year $100,000 mile extended warranty, My dealer price was $1,800 with CNA, My Nationwide price was $1,200 with Encore, I need to spend a little more time to match terms, however they are both transferable and appear to be identical. Does anyone else have some experiance with the extended Warranty???
#395 of 3279 Trying to choose between Denali or SLT
Mar 04, 2001 (9:46 am)
I'm trying to decide if the Denali is worth the $4,000-$5000 extra over a fully loaded Yukon SLT. I plan to mostly on-road driving (I hope!) with the exception of some beach driving. We get a fair amount of snow/ice (Mass.) and the idea of AWD does sound good most of the time, but I would give up true 4WD. Does this really matter? Also are there real differences other than that or is mostly cosmetic? Both engines give me the feeling of good power and I don't think I'll do any serious towing.
#396 of 3279 DXL versus YXL
Mar 04, 2001 (9:58 am)
jgmilberg: thanks for the welcome back. Unfortunately the DXL sat in the garage on this trip. Business to sunny Florida.
Actually, the transmissions are different in the 1/2 ton YXL/Sub, the Denali XL w/ 6.0L and the 3/4 ton YXL with either the 6.0L or the 8.1L.
All 1/2 Yukons/Subs have the 4L60-E (also called the M30), both Denali's and the Escalade have the 4L60E-HD (Heavy Duty) which is a more robust tranny to accomodate the 6.0L together with the special arrangement for the AWD, which isn't available in the 1/2 ton subs and Yukons.
All 3/4 tons have the 4L80-E (also called the MT1), which is even heavier duty than the 4L60-HD. The 6.0L engine is basically the same in the 3/4 ton Yuk/Sub, Denali and Escalade, however in each application they have a different HP rating due to different intake and exhaust manifold arrangements.
The 6.0L in the 3/4 ton has 315hp and 365ft/lbs, the Denali is rated at 320hp and 365ft/lbs and the Escalade has 345hp (5hp more than the 8.1L) and 380ft/lbs (the 8.1L is the grandaddy of torque with 455ft/lbs which is more the Fords 10 cylinder...nothing matches cubic inches for torque with the possible exception of supercharging. However, that's another story. I installed a B&M 174 supercharger myself on a 454 Chevy in my boat and there's absolutely nothing that compares to cubic inches COMBINED with supercharging).
I am sure on the ceiling controls. You need to ask to see a fully loaded Sub or Yukon XL with both rear and front "climate control" and no sunroof. Or ask to see a Denali (XL) with no sunroof and then you'll be able to see the pods and controls that are used.
I didn't see my truck before I had the sunroof installed however the dealer showed me a regular Denali before mine was shipped in. That Denali had no sunroof and had the pod with the rear climate controls. The dealer explained that is the same configuration that a DXL comes with when the sunroof is not ordered.
jjorgenson: I ordered a 6yr/75,000 mile, $100 ded, GM Major Guard warranty from the dealer (GMS-Supplier) for $1500 which was better than I could find on the internet. I didn't want to deal with the hassles of a third party warranty for the sake of a couple of hundred bucks, so I stayed with GM.
#397 of 3279 heatwave3
Mar 04, 2001 (11:13 am)
On the Major Guard, do you know how much more it would've cost to get a ZERO deductible?
#398 of 3279 Overhead Console-Heatwave3
Mar 04, 2001 (3:35 pm)
I did see a Denali XL with dual auto climate control, and no sunroof. It had a full length console with the sunglass holder,cd holder(only holds 3 cd's), and tissue box compartment in it. Like I said it had the main control for the rear in the front above the mirror, then the homelink and three compartments, then the dome lights then the rear controls. The full lenght, or I think the dealer calls it an extended overhead may still be and option on the Denali. My salesman was not in on Friday for me to ask about it. But I did test drive a Denail XL w/full overhead and dual auto climate controls. Does yours still have the front controls for the rear? The fron overrides the rear I think but am not sure. Like if you don't want it on you can turn it off in the front w/o turning around or messing around with the rear controls. I don't know because I dont have the pod in the back w/ the controls, because of he factory roof. I do agree that the General should have made it available w/sunroof option, you do pay a lot for the roof. If the aftermarket can do it once it is built, it should be easier to do in the build process. They would probably want to charge extra for it anyway. GM doesn't stand for Generous Motors.
I am going to stop by ASC to find out about a controller that will auto close the roof when the ignition is turned off. Will keep you posted as to what can/can't be done. Really want that feature, only used the roof once and know I will leave it open if I am in a hurry to get somewhere.
As for the trans, I have a 3/4 ton 6.0L and the 4L80E trans. I did not know of a HD variant of the 4L60E. Learn something new everyday! Thanks.
What is the top speed on your boat?! What type of boat is it- size,cabin,ect..
#399 of 3279 Overhead Console
Mar 04, 2001 (4:50 pm)
Now I'm confused. I wonder if the factory is putting out different versions for the ceiling consoles based on whats in the parts bin? The full length ceiling console is not an available option on the Denali that I am aware of. In fact even the Denali literature shows the short version front console without the sunroof.
I have the controls on the dash for the front climate control, a second set of controls above the rear view mirror that has the lockout feature to deactivate the climate controls on the rear pod. And then, the rear climate controls are duplicated in the stand alone climate control pod accessible to the second row passengers.
BTW, the boat is a Stingray cuddy cabin with the 454HD (roller timing chain, roller rockers, 4 bolt main, custom Holley, the B&M 174 Blower and lots of other "goodies"). The boat does 82mph which is a wild ride in a 26' boat with only the last 12" of the boat actually in the water.
obyone: I don't recall the GM Major Guard warranty for the $0 deductible exactly, however I think it was $250-300 more than the $100 deductible. I believe the thinking is that with a $0 deductible it will take approximately 3 additional repairs to pay off the additional upfront premium for the higher priced policy versus the $100 ded policy.
#400 of 3279 Lease prices for a new Denali
Mar 04, 2001 (5:36 pm)
Hello all. I am shopping for a new Denali, can you give me an idea of what a good deal is on a lease? If you could give me figures for - 1 monthly payments, 2 down payment, 3 cap cost, 4 money factor (annual rate) - I would really appreciate it. Any other info you think would be useful would also be great.