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What is this discussion about? Ford Expedition, GMC Envoy, Chevrolet Suburban, Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Nissan Pathfinder, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV

#1015 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by stevedebi Sep 05, 2008 (9:06 am)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 04, 2008 6:12 pm) "In my opinion Ford Escape is not a SUV. It is like raised up Dodge nitro."   I suspect you drive a large body-on-frame SUV. I'm a bit surprised you compared a Ford product to a Dodge product.
#1016 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [tidester] by stevedebi Sep 05, 2008 (9:10 am)
Replying to: tidester (Sep 04, 2008 7:57 pm) "We already have individual gas mileage topics for each make and model (about 360 of them). This Forum simply compares them. At an average posting rate of about five per week in this topic, I don't think many will have difficulty distinguishing the "toys" from the "real thing."    Nevertheless, we are open to comments from others regarding a split. "   Well, here is my comment. When the manufacturers stop calling them SUVs, then people should stop posting here. The auto companies now use the term CUV when it is in fact a Crossover, but they still call my Escape (and the CR-V, and the RAV4, as examples) SUVs.   I suppose you could make three discussions: small, medium, and large SUV gas mileage. That would be fine with me, and might narrow the comparisons for people interested in mileage.   I almost asked that person who complained if he/she drove a huge SUV by him/herself, and was getting the usual 10 MPG city / 16 highway. But I chose not to pose that question... Replies to this message: arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 1:00 pm) kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am) ateixeira (Sep 08, 2008 7:08 am)
#1017 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [stevedebi] by arrie Sep 05, 2008 (12:15 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 05, 2008 9:10 am) I guess I have not been reading all topics but I have not seen anything else than "SUV gas mileage, feel free to participate".   Yes, I drive a full size Tahoe. In my opinion it is waste of time and topic space to compare 4 cylinder "toy trucks" to full size trucks under the same topic. We all know, I hope, what for example Ford Escape use a lot less fuel than a Tahoe. Why talk about them under the same topic.   I always thought that this forum site is meant to be helping the users. It would help much better if there was only full size SUVs under one topic, middle size under another and small ones under their own so people interested of hearing others of what they have done to help fuel mileage could benefit from it. Now it is just a big mess under one topic and all I see the small toy truck drivers bragging about their 30+ MPG performance on those 4 cylinder engines. Go pull a 20 ft trailer with it and see how it does... Tools and toys are separate issues.   Myself I would be interested hearing from other full size SUV drivers what they have done for gas mileage improvement or what they think about it but current "Feel free to participate" topic does not serve for this.   It would be very good if there was Full, Mid and Small size SUV topics, i.e. for 8, 6 and 4 cylinder engines.   Arrie Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 1:00 pm) kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am) ateixeira (Sep 08, 2008 7:08 am)
#1018 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by ateixeira Sep 05, 2008 (1:00 pm)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) The numbers of big body-on-frame SUVs are dwindling so quickly this topic would get no traffic.   Sorry but that's the plain truth.
#1019 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by kipk Sep 06, 2008 (2:50 am)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) >"Ford Escape use a lot less fuel than a Tahoe. Why talk about them under the same topic."   For the sake of comparison.   >"It would help much better if there was only full size SUVs under one topic, middle size under another and small ones under their own so people interested of hearing others of what they have done to help fuel mileage could benefit from it."   For those like yourself, there is a Tahoe Real World MPG forum. If that isn't good enough, you can start your own thread within this forum or even start a new forum. You could entitle it Real world MPG for Large Gas Guzzling SUVs Only.   You could go even farther and in the first post list the Vehicles and equipment that are allow to participate.   Go for it.   Kip Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 08, 2008 7:08 am)
#1020 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [kipk] by ateixeira Sep 08, 2008 (7:08 am)
Replying to: kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am)   Then they'd be too embarassed to post at all.   Having said that MotorWeek just tested the Durango hybrid. They got 19mpg. Their Tahoe hybrid managed 20 mpg.   $45 grand for the Durango hybrid, and $50 grand for the Tahoe hybrod. Ouch.
#1021 of 1070 I like seeing what's going on... by wvgasguy Sep 17, 2008 (6:08 pm)
Just came across this thread and see arguments about full size and toys. Well, for me I am indeed interested in all the different models. I drive a FULL size SUV but watch regularly what the smaller ones are doing. I need to tow 3500# (not all that much, just my tractor or jet skis), I need 4wd (live on a hill in snow "at times" country) and I wanted size to haul the family (8 on vacation). The Expedition does that for me. However, I would give my Expedition to my kids who don't commute far, if I find a suitable smaller SUV that has good FE. So far only the hybrids and diesels look desirable and with the price of diesel, the Escape looks like it's on my short list. For 90% of my driving (like many people) I don't need a SUV. I want to have at least one large one in the family but it needs to be where it is needed the least. The Chevy 20mpg offerings is a good step, but I'm looking for a giant leap. Replies to this message: kipk (Sep 18, 2008 3:58 am) ateixeira (Sep 18, 2008 7:20 am) wvgasguy (Sep 18, 2008 4:08 pm) kipk (Sep 19, 2008 4:38 am) and 4 more... bronsonb (Oct 21, 2008 11:11 am)
#1022 of 1070 Re: I like seeing what's going on... [wvgasguy] by kipk Sep 18, 2008 (3:58 am)
Replying to: wvgasguy (Sep 17, 2008 6:08 pm) Before you make a purchase, do yourself a favor and investigate the Honda Pilot. DRIVE ONE !   It is rated to tow 4500# and seat 8 people. The 4WD models are primarily FWD but the rear wheels kick in if the front slips. This is done with electric clutches. If real slippery the two rear wheels can be locked together with a button, for super traction at low speeds.   Our 03 (with 4WD) is great on gas, considering it's size. It doesn't have the variable displacement feature like the newer ones. It runs on 6 cylinders all the time.   I'm a conservative driver. Locally the Pilot delivers 17-19 mpg. On the road the mileage varies with speed.   A trip of nearly 400 miles with 4 people and luggage at 80+ mph yielded 18 mpg. Return trip the next day with the same load but at 60-65 mph yielded 26+ mpg.   A round trip of nearly 1100 miles at 60+ MPH with me and the wife yielded 27+ mpg. I was really trying hard for mileage on this one.   Most trips at 70 MPH with the two of us and AC generally averages 23-24 mpg.   Yeah, I realize that is considerably more than the EPA ratings. But we get it. Odometer is correct within 1%.   Just drive one.   Kip Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2008 7:20 am) wvgasguy (Sep 18, 2008 4:08 pm) kipk (Sep 19, 2008 4:38 am) ateixeira (Sep 22, 2008 1:06 pm) and 2 more... wvgasguy (Oct 01, 2008 5:37 pm) bronsonb (Oct 21, 2008 11:11 am)
#1023 of 1070 Re: I like seeing what's going on... [kipk] by ateixeira Sep 18, 2008 (7:20 am)
Replying to: kipk (Sep 18, 2008 3:58 am) Remember, he was going to give the Expy to the kids and try to find a smaller, more fuel efficient option.   I'd skip the Pilot and look at the compact class. If you want a dramatic improvement in fuel economy, look at the Escape hybrid, the Vue Greenline, or non-hybrids like the Subaru Forester, Honda's own CR-V, Nissan's Rogue, and a Toyota RAV4.   Let's take a peek at some EPA numbers, just for reference. I know real-world mileage is different, but at least we have a level ground to compare.   Annual fuel costs:   2006 Expy 4WD, $4113   versus brand new AWD/automatic models...   Pilot, $3203 CR-V, $2621 Forester, $2621 Rogue, $2506 (CVT) RAV4, $2402   versus the hybrids...   Vue, $2056 Escape, $2056   EPA makes lots of assumptions, but the numbers serve for comparison purposes.   A Pilot could save you a pretty decent $910 per year. But a RAV4 would save you nearly double, $1711. Hybrids would literally save you a little over half your fuel bill, or $2057.   If you want a dramatic improvement, go with a smaller crossover or even a hybrid. They cost a bit more but both offer tax rebates to offset a big part of that cost. Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Sep 18, 2008 4:08 pm) kipk (Sep 19, 2008 4:38 am) ateixeira (Sep 22, 2008 1:06 pm) stevedebi (Sep 22, 2008 1:19 pm) kipk (Sep 23, 2008 5:38 am) wvgasguy (Oct 01, 2008 5:37 pm)
#1024 of 1070 Re: I like seeing what's going on... [ateixeira] by wvgasguy Sep 18, 2008 (4:08 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2008 7:20 am) Money is not an issue, saving fuel is my concern. I'm willing to pay to do that, thus I don't feel the need to justify the expense of the hybrid system t myself.   I could be happy with a small SUV, but they all come with small seats. I'm 6'2" and 260 #. I would like the Escape with no console and Expedition seats!

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