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#1012 of 1070 Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion by arrie Sep 04, 2008 (6:12 pm)
Someone in Edmunds message moderation please make separate topics for real full size SUVs and toys, like Ford Escape. Escape should not even be mentioned under SUV topics as it is not much bigger than a Toyota Corolla.   Make topics for 8, 6 and 4 cylinder SUVs separate so we don't need to be reading smart a.. comments/posts of small toy truck drivers under the real full size SUV topics.   In my opinion Ford Escape is not a SUV. It is like raised up Dodge nitro.   Arrie Replies to this message: tidester (Sep 04, 2008 7:57 pm) kipk (Sep 05, 2008 4:15 am) stevedebi (Sep 05, 2008 9:10 am) arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) and 3 more... stevedebi (Sep 05, 2008 9:06 am)
#1013 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by tidester HOST Sep 04, 2008 (7:57 pm)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 04, 2008 6:12 pm) We already have individual gas mileage topics for each make and model (about 360 of them). This Forum simply compares them. At an average posting rate of about five per week in this topic, I don't think many will have difficulty distinguishing the "toys" from the "real thing."   Nevertheless, we are open to comments from others regarding a split.   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper Replies to this message: kipk (Sep 05, 2008 4:15 am) stevedebi (Sep 05, 2008 9:10 am) arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 1:00 pm) kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am) and 1 more...
#1014 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [tidester] by kipk Sep 05, 2008 (4:15 am)
Replying to: tidester (Sep 04, 2008 7:57 pm) SUVs come in various sizes and perform various duties. While a 2wd Expedition is quite large, and will comfortably carry a greater number of people, doesn't make it any more of an SUV ( "Real thing" ) than a smaller one. In reality, it is not a true SUV at all. It is in reality nothing more than a tall large station wagon.   A friends Expedition with it's 5.4 liter V8 simply will not go some of the places that our much smaller 4WD CR-V will, with it's 2.4L 4 cylinder. Our CR-V won't do the same job as our son's Grand Cherokee, with it's very sophisticated 4WD system.   To say the largest are true SUV and the smaller are simply toys is like saying only Great Danes and other dogs that size are "true dogs" while the smaller Pit Bull, Rottweiler, and German Shepherds are not.   True SUVs were designed to extend to family haulers the ability to carry more people and gear, more comfortably on and off road than units such as the Jeep Wrangler and a couple of others. Emphasis on Utility. Although Jeep introduced some earlier "SUV" models, before the phrase "Sport Utility Vehicle" became popular, the Cherokee was by far the most popular. It's drive train was pretty much identical to that of the Wrangler sized Jeeps. Many came with 4 cylinder engines.   A big roaring V8 doesn't make a vehicle more of an SUV. Smaller size doesn't make one a "Toy". It is simply more efficient at certain jobs.   Maybe we need to toss out anything that is not a 4WD, instead of discriminating because of size.   Kip
#1015 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by stevedebi Sep 05, 2008 (9:06 am)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 04, 2008 6:12 pm) "In my opinion Ford Escape is not a SUV. It is like raised up Dodge nitro."   I suspect you drive a large body-on-frame SUV. I'm a bit surprised you compared a Ford product to a Dodge product.
#1016 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [tidester] by stevedebi Sep 05, 2008 (9:10 am)
Replying to: tidester (Sep 04, 2008 7:57 pm) "We already have individual gas mileage topics for each make and model (about 360 of them). This Forum simply compares them. At an average posting rate of about five per week in this topic, I don't think many will have difficulty distinguishing the "toys" from the "real thing."    Nevertheless, we are open to comments from others regarding a split. "   Well, here is my comment. When the manufacturers stop calling them SUVs, then people should stop posting here. The auto companies now use the term CUV when it is in fact a Crossover, but they still call my Escape (and the CR-V, and the RAV4, as examples) SUVs.   I suppose you could make three discussions: small, medium, and large SUV gas mileage. That would be fine with me, and might narrow the comparisons for people interested in mileage.   I almost asked that person who complained if he/she drove a huge SUV by him/herself, and was getting the usual 10 MPG city / 16 highway. But I chose not to pose that question... Replies to this message: arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 1:00 pm) kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am) ateixeira (Sep 08, 2008 7:08 am)
#1017 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [stevedebi] by arrie Sep 05, 2008 (12:15 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 05, 2008 9:10 am) I guess I have not been reading all topics but I have not seen anything else than "SUV gas mileage, feel free to participate".   Yes, I drive a full size Tahoe. In my opinion it is waste of time and topic space to compare 4 cylinder "toy trucks" to full size trucks under the same topic. We all know, I hope, what for example Ford Escape use a lot less fuel than a Tahoe. Why talk about them under the same topic.   I always thought that this forum site is meant to be helping the users. It would help much better if there was only full size SUVs under one topic, middle size under another and small ones under their own so people interested of hearing others of what they have done to help fuel mileage could benefit from it. Now it is just a big mess under one topic and all I see the small toy truck drivers bragging about their 30+ MPG performance on those 4 cylinder engines. Go pull a 20 ft trailer with it and see how it does... Tools and toys are separate issues.   Myself I would be interested hearing from other full size SUV drivers what they have done for gas mileage improvement or what they think about it but current "Feel free to participate" topic does not serve for this.   It would be very good if there was Full, Mid and Small size SUV topics, i.e. for 8, 6 and 4 cylinder engines.   Arrie Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 1:00 pm) kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am) ateixeira (Sep 08, 2008 7:08 am)
#1018 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by ateixeira Sep 05, 2008 (1:00 pm)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) The numbers of big body-on-frame SUVs are dwindling so quickly this topic would get no traffic.   Sorry but that's the plain truth.
#1019 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [arrie] by kipk Sep 06, 2008 (2:50 am)
Replying to: arrie (Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm) >"Ford Escape use a lot less fuel than a Tahoe. Why talk about them under the same topic."   For the sake of comparison.   >"It would help much better if there was only full size SUVs under one topic, middle size under another and small ones under their own so people interested of hearing others of what they have done to help fuel mileage could benefit from it."   For those like yourself, there is a Tahoe Real World MPG forum. If that isn't good enough, you can start your own thread within this forum or even start a new forum. You could entitle it Real world MPG for Large Gas Guzzling SUVs Only.   You could go even farther and in the first post list the Vehicles and equipment that are allow to participate.   Go for it.   Kip Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 08, 2008 7:08 am)
#1020 of 1070 Re: Keep real full size SUVs and toys separated in gas mileage discussion [kipk] by ateixeira Sep 08, 2008 (7:08 am)
Replying to: kipk (Sep 06, 2008 2:50 am)   Then they'd be too embarassed to post at all.   Having said that MotorWeek just tested the Durango hybrid. They got 19mpg. Their Tahoe hybrid managed 20 mpg.   $45 grand for the Durango hybrid, and $50 grand for the Tahoe hybrod. Ouch.
#1021 of 1070 I like seeing what's going on... by wvgasguy Sep 17, 2008 (6:08 pm)
Just came across this thread and see arguments about full size and toys. Well, for me I am indeed interested in all the different models. I drive a FULL size SUV but watch regularly what the smaller ones are doing. I need to tow 3500# (not all that much, just my tractor or jet skis), I need 4wd (live on a hill in snow "at times" country) and I wanted size to haul the family (8 on vacation). The Expedition does that for me. However, I would give my Expedition to my kids who don't commute far, if I find a suitable smaller SUV that has good FE. So far only the hybrids and diesels look desirable and with the price of diesel, the Escape looks like it's on my short list. For 90% of my driving (like many people) I don't need a SUV. I want to have at least one large one in the family but it needs to be where it is needed the least. The Chevy 20mpg offerings is a good step, but I'm looking for a giant leap. Replies to this message: kipk (Sep 18, 2008 3:58 am) ateixeira (Sep 18, 2008 7:20 am) wvgasguy (Sep 18, 2008 4:08 pm) kipk (Sep 19, 2008 4:38 am) and 4 more... bronsonb (Oct 21, 2008 11:11 am)

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