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#603 of 1637 2003 Lincoln Navigator wind noise
Jul 15, 2003 (5:50 pm)
Are there any owners of the 2003 model Navigator that are as displeased as I am with the wind noise in the cabin. They have already fixed the flapping noise in the door panel but it is still a loud wind turbulence noise when driving over 50mph. I just had it in for service today and this time they tell me that it is because the side mirrors are so much bigger then the earlier models and that is where the wind turbulence cones from. They told me to pull in my side mirrors and it lessens the noise. I don't know about you but I use my side mirrors when I'm driving down the highway. I had a 1998 Nav and it had a nice quiet ride as you would expect of a 50,000 luxury vehicle.
Jul 15, 2003 (7:41 pm)
Just when I think I might want a Navigator there are problems that people are having. I've had a couple of Jeeps Grand Cherokee's and currently a Mercedes ML500. Is there any vehicle out there that people just love and have no problems?
I want a luxury vehicle that is reliable, quiet, reliable, powerful, reliable and roomy... is that too much to ask?
Ford, are you listening? M.
#605 of 1637 Wind noise, reliabilty, etc.
Jul 16, 2003 (6:56 am)
Gatorgirl: My 2003 gator seems plenty quiet to me on the highway. There is some wind noise but that'll never go completely away. The only way to see if your gator has a real problem is to drive another one and see if it produces the same noise. If it does I am afraid you are stuck.
Mark 156: Even though I LOVE the size and features of my gator I also wish they had less issues associated with them. At least I take comfort knowing that my dealer takes care of any problems that creep up. I do not think any car can be perfect but so far I've had the following issues in 6 months: suspension issues, body cladding noise, side mirrors act crazy at times, brake dust on front rims (YUCK), excessive steering wheel vibration.
Please note that ALL of these items have been fixed by my dealership to my satisfaction (except brake dust -- still waiting on a free Ford fix for that one).
If you are looking for a bullet-proof lux SUV I recommend the Lexus LX 470. IMO it has the most luxurious interior, it drives like pure silk, and its reliability seems to be top-notch. I've been sooo close to getting one on several occasions, but the Navigator has extra features that the LX does not have such as fold flat and roomy third row seats, a power liftgate, HID lights, power running boards, and parking assist. These features, combined with the larger size, and smaller $$$$ made me go for the gator instead. Overall I am happy with my choice. What will my next truck be?? The jury is still out on that one.
#606 of 1637 02 vs. 03, what will I expect?, also buyback question?
Jul 16, 2003 (8:14 am)
Just been informed that lincoln is buying back my 02 Navigator after having it serviced 9 times, 6 times for the airbag system, 3 times for the suspension. They agreed to buy it back and provide a new 03.
What changes for the good or bad will I find going from the 02 to an 03. I had a 99 as well and loved both the 99/02, excpet for the times it was in shop.
Also anyone experience a buyback. What exactly will happen, can I get options on it that were not on my 02. Emails welcomed as well
Jul 19, 2003 (12:47 pm)
gteach: I did notice a lot more "feedback" from the steering wheel in my 03, attributable to the rack & pinion steering, but it's pretty much all road feel. I get no vibration from it at idle, however I do feel the engine running in this truck. I did in the 99 too. I don't in the Mountaineer! That annoys me too, I should think this engine would be absent any vibration at idle. It is very smooth running. I can't imagine what would make your wheel vibrate at idle. And I'm sure your service advisor will give you "the look" too:)
jenerallee: You are owed a sub-woofer, unless your Gator was a rental previously, and doesn't have the Alpine system. The Alpine said so on the Cassette door. Some rentals were sent out sans the CD jockey - perhaps some were made without the Alpine too?
gatorgirl: I've not noticed much wind noise at high speed - this truck is quieter than my 99 was.
dad: I think you'll love the Ford buyback. I've never encountered a car company that handles these issues better. They will likely give you a new 03 off the lot that you pick out, or build you one if they don't have what you want. If you choose one comparably equipped, and you're leased or financed with Ford Credit, the loan or lease will continue likely as it is. If you want to upgrade, or would like to refinance due to more favorable rates now, they'll work with you. My experience is, they will make you very happy.
They they'll take your old truck and send it somewhere to be autopsied to find out why it has failed. It will become an engineer's cadaver.
I just finished a week in the mountains with my Navigator, and I couldn't be more pleased. It exceeded my expectations, and I expected a lot after 4 flawless years with my old 99. This one is even tighter and much more agile rock climbing than the old one. The Independent Rear Suspension is delightful in stepping over rocks and holes. Never even came close to scraping, and I used to in the old one on this road once in a while. It never got stuck. Ran like a champ, and seemed to stay at high ground clearance most of the time on the mountain, even when at rest, unless it was pretty level. Nice feature. After bumping it around on the worst imaginable roads, and some non-roads for a week, putting it back on the highway and feeling zero ill effects gave me a lot of confidence in the new body & suspension. One real difference, the new rack & pinion steering gives you a ton of feedback on the road, or non-road surface. More than I need, but it's ok. You can really "feel" the twists & turns of the road. Car & Driver think that's a good thing. I am amazed at how tight and substantial the new body is. If there was going to be a rattle develop, this week should have done it. It's as solid as ever.
After 6000 miles, and a very hard week off road, I'm extremely pleased. It's a great truck for the money.
#608 of 1637 Tire pressure
Jul 21, 2003 (4:37 am)
What is the recommended tire pressure for the '03 Navigators?
#609 of 1637 '03 Tire pressure
Jul 21, 2003 (10:10 am)
According to the sticker inside my fuel door it is 35 psi for all 4 tires (factory - Michellin Cross Terrain SUV). Check your fuel door though, just in case your truck has different tires, weight, etc.
Jul 21, 2003 (5:34 pm)
And while on the subject of tires, I generally love Michelins, but these cross terrain tires on my Nav have no off -road grip at all...... They are way streety
#611 of 1637 2004 Lincolns - No Maintenance
Jul 22, 2003 (7:10 pm)
I was on the Ford Fleet website today and it looks like Lincoln is discontinuing its free 3/36K maintenance program.
I don't think this is a good idea - do you?
#612 of 1637 Maintenance..
Jul 23, 2003 (5:10 am)
I read somewhere (don't remember where) that the three years free maintenance was being whittled down to one year. Any confirmation of this?
If they do drop it it would be a shame -- what do thirty six months of free maintenance come to $$-wise for your typical Navigator -- five hundred bucks, a thousand?? I'm not sure. It would however, be one less incentive to buy a gator that unfortunately some feel are not as reliable as import lux suv's. BUT.. if they keep improving the quality, features and styling of the Navigator they won't need any incentives at all and people will buy them anyway.
Lincoln, drop the free maintenance -fine, but you better keep improving the quality of your craftsmanship!