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#592 of 1637 Lincoln Navigator
Jul 10, 2003 (7:34 am)
I'm getting the "SUV" itch again. I'm wanting to trade my 2002 Mercedes ML500 in on a '04 Navigator or maybe the Volvo XC90. I want a little more space and I'm just not as happy with the ML as I thought I would be. It's been a good car (excellent air-conditioning) but the power steering is hard to turn in tight situations (big tires?). Also, the quality is not in par with the other Mercedes I've owned/have.
For those of you who have the sliding running boards, what are the pro's and con's with that? And, would you highly recommend the auto liftgate?
Also, do Navigators have the option of a bench seat for the second row or are they all bucket seats with the console?
Jul 10, 2003 (4:40 pm)
I took one home with the sliding running boards. Everybody who saw the car, loved them.....except me. They were a pain, always sliding in and out everytime a door was opened and closed. But they are darn cute. I purposely opted out of that option. The power liftgate is very nice, and usually comes with the power folding 3rd seat, which is also very nice. However, both operate quite easily manually, and I felt the power convenience of those two features also not necessary - but I bought them, and I enjoy them both.
You can get a 2nd row bench seat, which is what I got. The other configuration with the console is nice, but seems to really cut down the utility of the seating in the truck. I know, you only lose one seat, but I also took one home with a console, and opted against that.
It's a lot bigger than the XC-90. Did you consider an Aviator as well?
#594 of 1637 Good luck Mark!.
Jul 10, 2003 (5:24 pm)
The power running boards can be left in the closed position at all times with the touch of a button on the dash. I think they can also be left open (not 100% sure on that -- I have to check the manual). If you drive over 5mph I think they automatically retract. I was not going to get this option originally, but it came bundled in with my truck and I am VERY happy to have them.
On the liftgate: I find this option to be indespensible. You'll never have to lug open and close a heavy trunk again. If you are going to keep your Navigator in the garage (like me) you'll have to be careful that the liftgate does not hit the garage door top.
Power fold seats are a nice touch but open and close a bit too slowly for my tastes. The fact that they fold completely FLAT and disappear when not needed makes this THE best 3rd row design ever -period.
In case you are worried about the gadgets breaking remember Lincoln has a 4year/48,000 bumper to bumper warranty AND you get complimentary maintenance for the first three years.
Lincoln has some awesome deals out there right now- check their website for details.
If you want to save some $$ try out a loaded Expedition -- same size, similar features, but MUCH less cushy inside. Aviator is nice too, but lots smaller.
#595 of 1637 Lincoln Nav.
Jul 10, 2003 (7:38 pm)
qteach and nvbanker, thank you for the informative description of your vehicles and recommendations.
I'm am leaning towards the Lincoln Nav. the more I read about it. I wanted to get one when they first came out in '98 but went with the second Jeep Grand Cherokee and then with the 2002 ML500 with the third seat option, bi-xenons, parktronic, etc.
I really want the comfort of the Lincoln and all of the "American" toys that come with it.
Does the Navigation system work well? My Mercedes is excellent and has 9 disks to cover the US. Also I have the front and rear parktronic that I'm addicted to. Do they have front parktronic on the Lincoln?
On the automatic side rail, does it seem like dirt, grime and sand could damage the unit? Do you have to be really careful to keep it clean?
It's nice to chat with you guys who really know your vehicles.
Jul 10, 2003 (7:45 pm)
Make sure you get the NEW navigation system. It's really sharp. The old one that has now been discontinued, was a little funky.
My impression was that the running boards could handle about anything. They seemed tough and reliable, not subject to problems. That wasn't why I didn't get them.
I'm not aware of parktronic in the front being available until 2004. It has it in the back.
#597 of 1637 Side Door Panel Noise
Jul 10, 2003 (7:58 pm)
It is about time for me to take my Navi in for the 5000 mile first checkup. I see some of you have had some fun in your first checkup. How is the fix for the panel noise working out? Does anyone know what I need to ask for as far as TSB#? I question whehter my service folks will know...
Jul 10, 2003 (8:08 pm)
I think if you just complain about the wind noise from the cladding, they'll find the TSB alright. I didn't get the number. I also really doubted the efficacy of the cure, but it did seem to help. Mine didn't bother me much anyway, I just turn the radio up, and the A/C is usually going full choke too.
#599 of 1637 Parktronic, cladding noise, navigation system, etc..
Jul 11, 2003 (7:49 am)
Cladding noise: I took it in for 5K mile service and mentioned the problem and my service advisor immediately knew about it and offered to "fix" it (no TSB # sorry!). They put some kind of adhesive foam in there. I agree with nvbanker in that the noise was not really a big deal for me either.. I only heard it if going 60/70+ with the a/c on low and the radio off (that combo hardly ever happens with me). After the fix, the noise seems to have disapeared on the few test runs I've done.
Parktronic -- Mark, I LOVE the rear sensors on my Gator, and whenever I drive a vehicle without it I miss the beep-beep security blanket tremendously. Ditto with NVbanker that 03's do not have it in front -- but he states that they are adding them to the front for '04 --that would be fantastic if they did!
Navigation system: I have the CD based navigation system and when compared to my wife's lexus DVD-based system, the DVD Nav has better graphics, and inputting data is easier on the touchscreen. The accuracy of the data and the voice prompts are both the same quality (they'll both drive you into a canal sometimes if you are not careful, this technology is NOT perfect by any means). In the CD system, I like the fact that it has radio preset buttons separate form the navigation controls. On the DVD system you have to switch between audio and navigation to change stations (of course, you can just change stations from the steering wheel too). BUT, the new system is voice activated AND you have the CD changer behind the navigation screen, not on the passenger side foot well. If I had the choice now I would get the DVD system. They've only been making the DVD system as of March so unless you are buying a gator that has sat in the lot a looong time, you won't even find it anymore.
If you want to take a look at the '03 owners manual for details on all the gadgets click on the link below. If you have high speed internet it will come up instantly as an ADOBE file, otherwise it may take a few minutes.
For pricing, I have used carsdirect.com. You can input the features you want, your zip code and it will spit out a deal instantly, INCLUDING all available rebates, incentives, etc. If you hate haggling just take this number to the dealership and they'll match it. Or better yet, buy it through carsdirect and they do all the work for you.
Happy driving (sorry about the long post)!
#600 of 1637 Is roughness normal?
Jul 15, 2003 (8:41 am)
When my '03 Navigator is on, I can feel a VERY subtle, gentle harshness coming through the steering wheel. When idling, I KNOW the truck is on, whereas in other LUX suv's I've driven, I could not tell if the engine was running when I was in a stoplight -- I like that level of isolation. Is my gator just not designed for that level of quiet smoothness (both idling and while moving), or can the smoothness of the truck be adjusted somehow? I AM being very picky here - I would say 90% of people would not notice anything strange - and my service advisor will probably look at me funny for bringing it up. I'm just wondering what I should expect from this truck.
#601 of 1637 Nav 2000 stereo speakers
Jul 15, 2003 (9:51 am)
We just bought a 2000 gator. After bringing it home we realized the subwoofer was not there. Now the dealer we bought it from is telling us the system never had one therefore they won't put one in for us. Is this true...no subwoofer in some 2000 systems? It's hard to believe that our Alpine system is supposed to sound this bad---no bass at all.