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#1446 of 1637 2003 Lincoln Navigation Question
Oct 13, 2005 (7:32 am)
I own a 2003 Navigator, Luxury edition. It does not have a nav system, and it does not have the nav butons on the steering wheel. With that said, i was wondering if someone could tell me if the Lincoln factory touchscreen nav radio will work if instaled in my Navigator. I do realize that i will lose some of the feature, esp. the voice control feature due to the incorrect steering wheel button. I want to know if it will work, or if i will completely screw up my truck. I would also like to know if I am wasting my money in purchasing this unit.
Could someone please help with some info/advice?
#1447 of 1637 Changing markets
Oct 14, 2005 (10:33 am)
I was reading over a couple pages of recent posts and have a question.
My last vehicle purchase was back in Jan '04, when gas was $1.25/g.
Since then gas has more than doubled (Less than two years) and if the trend continues, we could see prices in the $5-6 range in only a few short years.
I've never owned an SUV and have no problem in regards to ownership, people should be able to get what their family wants/needs.
With that said, if prices do get to $5/g in ... say 2007 will it change the way you view purchase or will you stay with the current type?
If that is how it is in 2007, and it is time for a new vehicle purchase would you replace it with the same, but new model or go with something else more economical?
#1448 of 1637 Re: Changing markets [misterme]
Oct 16, 2005 (8:18 pm)
I am going to let my Navigator, which I love, go back when the lease is up, and not replace it with a 3rd one. I'll drive my Lexus, because it gets me 6 more mpg in town than the Gator does. It's all because of the gas prices, really. Because I use the Gator for all of its features frequently. But I have a second SUV. Under the current circumstances - one SUV will do.
#1449 of 1637 Re: Changing markets [misterme]
Oct 17, 2005 (11:58 am)
I bought my '04 Nav. If I had leased it, like NV, I would consider returning it at lease end, assuming I could find something else with better gas mileage to fulfill my needs of: big enuf for family of 5 vacations, 4WD, good comfort, ride and handling. However, and I haven't checked to confirm, I suspect it's a tough market out there to sell a Navigator these days so I'll probably keep mine.
All that said, and though my Nav is lucky to break 17mpg on the hwy and gets <12mpg around town, I still love the thing. My wife drives it mostly doing soccer mom type things - kids to/from school, shopping, etc and while it is overkill unless the whole family of 5 is in it, I still like the fact that my wife and kids are in a vehicle that will protect them far better than an econobox should something happen. Peace of mind is worth something, n'est pas? Plus there's nothing like it for long family trips what with room aplenty, the DVD player, Nav system, AWD and 4WD, etc etc. A Prius is fine for commuting, but if u got a family, u need a family vehicle. Oh, one more thing, over the long haul with higher initial cost and huge battery replacement and other maintenance costs etc, that Prius will cost a heck of a lot more than their greener-than-thou owners think.
#1450 of 1637 Re: Changing markets [heyjewel]
Oct 17, 2005 (1:56 pm)
Heyjewel, 17MPG isn't too bad, our '01 Grand Caravan gets about 21MPG, but can climb to about 26 if driven carefully. We used to drive our GC like a hellion and it only did about 16 in overall mixed driving. We have a family of 5 and we use it when we travel all together.
Our other vehicle is my primary commuter car, I travel almost 100miles daily so we wanted to max out MPG. It's a Honda Civic Hybrid, and I'm getting 63-68MPG and +900 mile tanks. Most people get less, but I push the envelope as much as I can.
When it's time to replace the Grand Caravan ( in 2011 ) I'm not sure what will be the next vehicle.
I hear you about family safety, and should be one of the most important considerations.
Perhaps they will have a hydrogen Gator or some other major fuel improvement by then?
#1451 of 1637 Re: Changing markets [misterme]
Oct 17, 2005 (2:25 pm)
17 mpg ain't too bad when there's 5 people and all their gear on board. That's 85people-mpg:>)
A hydro-Gator eh? Heh heh. Anything's possible I guess. Wouldn't want to buy the first year of hydrogen powered cars though! Could be some pretty explosive bugs to work out!
I was recently in the market for another vehicle. I drove a Civic hybrid. It was kinda nice, but I gotta admit the saying "can't get out of it's own way" must've been written with that car in mind:>) And your mpg figures are way above what epa or even honda says. You should open a gas-savers driving school!
Natch, the idea of 50 or 60 mpg appeals to me for a commute vehicle. (Presently I drive 70 miles round-trip and am driving a Lincoln LS which gets about 23mpg on my commute). But I am concerned about the long-term costs of hybrid technology. Did u lease your Civic hybrid? From what I've read (autoextrememist.com is a good place), whomever is the owner of a hybrid when the batteries need replacing is in for an extremely rude awakening!
Oct 17, 2005 (3:26 pm)
I bought my little car, and did alot of research before hand. You're wise about waiting for the bugs to get out of new technology, I too waited an extra year.
The battery issue doesn't concern me for a number of reasons.
It is warranted for 10yr/150K miles....But I hope/plan to drive this over 300K miles over 10 years. I use the battery so lightly that I think in my case it is a non-issue. Battery is another reason why I choose a Honda, and not the Prius...The Prius must have a good battery or be stranded, while Honda will just keep running, but with less performance. If I should decide to replace it, I could get a guaranteed used one, or possible after-market ones, or spend the $2K for a new one installed. But in the case that I've already crossed 250K miles I'll just drive it as is.
But enough about my commuter car!
Honestly, I've never driven a Navigator, it's probably a good thing because if I did, I'd likely want one
Oct 17, 2005 (5:55 pm)
Ford will have a hybrid Fusion year after next. They don't save enough fuel at current prices to pay for the cost difference but if you want to feel green you'll have a FoMoCo option other than the Escape.
#1455 of 1637 Tell Us Something; We Don't Know
Oct 19, 2005 (9:06 pm)
I have an '05 Navi Ultimate and just got back from a 600 Mile Round Trip. You have heard it before, but there is NOTHING on the SUV Market that can compare to the comfort and ride of the Navi. This is my 1st extended trip since I bought the Navi in March (just before the Gas Hike).
Wow, what an absolutely luxurious ride. Doing 85 to 95 is a smooth as sitting still. MPG is bad around town in the 12's and I get close to 17 MPG on the Navi loaded with 3 Adults and 3 Children.
I guess I see it this way, Navi is advertised at 13 City/18 Hwy. Take your averge midline car that gets say 18/24 or 5/6 MPG better City/Hwy. Is the fuel cost of 50% more worth it. Well, that is for each to decide. But man, you can't beat the ride. Sort of like paying for 1st Class Seat in a Plane vs Economy Class, sure is nice up front.
Like I said, anyone who owns a late model Navi knows what I am talking about.
Given the likely severe depreciation, I could not afford to sell it and replace. Plan to keep it for awhile; regardless of Gas Prices, as if they continue to climb, I wouldn't get anything for it anyway.
Interesting enough, I was looking to trade my Chyrsler T&C Minivan for a Honda or Toyota Minivan and one dealer told me, "We Do Not Take Any Domestic SUVs on Trade". Well, the Media sure had tainted SUV's. But just smile as you drive in comfort passing the econo-boxes.