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Lexus LX 470, SUV
#175 of 1476 2001 LX 470
Oct 18, 2000 (4:41 am)
I am a long time reader (about 1 year) and 1st time poster, and first of all I would like to thank everyone who has posted on this forum, as the information has been very beneficial.
I live in Rhode Island, but bought this truck from Florida (Lexus of Fort Myers (Connie Johnson as previously mentioned in prior posts). The dealers in New England are very shrewd, and unwilling to negotiate much below sticker, and anyone who is seriously interested in saving big bucks should buy this truck from Florida (or California). I have been very happy with the entire transaction, and I think it was much LESS painful than buying something from a local dealer. I say stick it to the local dealers until they are willing to negotiate.
With regards the particulars, I bought the Blue Vapor, with the Ivory interior, and the DVD Navigation system. The Color is beautiful, more blue than silver and unique (So don't buy this color because I want to be the only one that has it(hehehe). The Navigation system is excellent, very user friendly, and I figured most of the commands within minutes before reading the manual. I think it is the most sophisticated Nav system available currently.
The sound system is phenomenal. Anyone who doubts this did not put the system through the ringer. The sound initially coming through the tuner (FM) was OK, but when I played a CD, and DVD, the sound was excellent, and compared to my home audio theater system (Also made by Madrigal) it was very good.The system is very well balanced, sound is crisp and clear, tight, not boomy and can be played very loud (from Van Halen to Classical Indian music to action scenes from James bond movies)everything sounds great. Also, as is the case with most speakers, the material has to 'break-in',especially the woofers, and after hours of use, the sound will change to the better.
The HNL shifter vibration is there, but I do not see myself touching this instrument much, and it does not present itself unless the knob it touched(you cannot hear it). Not a big deal if it is considered 'normal'.
The ride is very smooth for a truck, and I think anyone who buys the vehicle must remember that it is a truck and will behave as a truck and feel as a truck. My other vehicles are a sports car and a sports sedan, and this truck does not handle as well, or brake as well as the others (makes sense given that it weighs twice as much (momentum), and its center of balance is higher (SUV)) and the ride is equivalent to the sedan (which is 4 years old). But this is what I expected, I did not expect it to drive like the LS series, or handle like the Porsche, as it is a TRUCK. (but a dam good truck)
The biggest advantage of the Lexus is that compared to equivalent SUV's (the big ones) it is very quiet, smooth, and refined. One of the selling points is that Japanese know how to make things fit well. The best test is to drive a 3-4 (or older) LX and see how much rattle, and change in the ride there is compared to a new one (and I was surprised to see that older ones still drive very smooth, with no rattle, unlike domestic SUV's that start rattling(dash, doors etc.) within months-year).
Obviously I am biased after buying one, but so far, after less than one week, I have no doubts or regrets, and my wife also loves the truck (gets high WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Oct 18, 2000 (4:50 am)
I'm shopping between a '98 LX470 and a new 2001 MDX. The only concern I have regarding the LX470 is braking distance. How big are the discs? Is it possible to get bigger ones? and do they help in braking? Some reviewers are using the hyperbolic "from here to enternity" to describe the braking in the test 470's, I can't help wondering what it would be like braking with 6500lbs in tow.
Oct 18, 2000 (5:19 am)
"not a big deal if it is considered normal"
That is the problem. I have been working with Lexus for roughly one month now. So far, Lexus has not acknowledged that the vibration is normal. Instead, I got all the special treatment and dealers tried to do everything they can to remedy the vibration problem.
complaint it and you shall get special treatment.
BTW, the tire pressure for front has been revised to 32 psi. Ignore the 27 psi recommendation.
Good luck and enjoy your car. Regards,
Oct 18, 2000 (5:30 am)
Thanks for your response.
I think you will agree that Lexus has the final say about what is normal or abnormal for LX470.
Obviously, Lexus does not think that the HNL vibration is normal. Otherwise, this case will be dismissed long time ago.
Check the Lx470 manual in 4-wheel drive system. No mention that the HNL vibration is normal.
In fact, lexus has made special arrangements trying to remedy this situation. But in the end, dealers fail miserably because the vibration is a design issue, not a manufacturing issue.
Until Lexus put it in writing that the HNL vibration is normal, I will keep mentioning this issue from time to time. It is quite simple for lexus to do so: Just say it that it is normal. Easy and fair enough. What do you think? Let's all work together and make lexus concede that the HNL vibration is NORMAL. Regards,
#179 of 1476 deveng $ / No More HNL <<>> / Cargo Area
Oct 18, 2000 (7:37 am)
deveng: Nice post. Congrats on taking "the leap". Let us know how you feel after a month. That blue is beautiful. Care to divulge the approx $$ you paid for your new blue baby?
F8: I too am getting tired of the HNL non-issue. If (like the TLC) my gas pedal, main shifter, floor pan and whatever else were vibrating or making any noise what-so-ever that'd be another story. They aren't. Shoot some people pay good money in other "applications" for this type of "vibration"! If Toyota/Lexus come out with some kind of service directive - then by all means let us know in BOLD TYPE. Otherwise give it a rest.
To all: Ordered and installed this rear cargo tray: http://hardtop.net/protopaccessories/cartray.html. For those who take their 3rd row seats out most of the time and carry anything less clean than the inside of their new LX - this is the ticket. The color of the tan one is a shade off from the ivory int but not bad for the price. It came in 4 days with free shipping. Fits perfectly and is well made. Still looking for that rear cargo privacy pull shade. Toyota dealer says if I order a TLC one (at $600+) then it won't be returnable. Can't be more than $20 of plastic in them. Lexus still says they do not carry one. Anyone know who makes the GM Tahoe/Yukon cargo shades?
#180 of 1476 Brakes - (brightness)
Oct 18, 2000 (7:51 am)
I have towed a medium sized pop-top with my 00-LX (http://www.vikingrv.com/). On the highway and without looking one would not even know it is back there (accel or stop). Why would you ever even consider towing 6500# without electric/mechanical brakes?
#181 of 1476 Followup on test drive
Oct 18, 2000 (11:51 am)
Following up on my earlier posting after a test drive of a 2001 LX470, first allow me to comment that I had made mention of (even comparison to) the LS400 sedan to describe *only* my positive impressions regarding the smoothness of the engine, shifting, and quiet ride. Let me make clear right here that the reference was NOT made to compare suspensions. I am well aware that the LX470 is a truck.
That said, I have driven some other SUVs: Toyota 4Runner, Mercedes M-Class (both ML320 and even an ML55), and BMW X5. Since the ML55 is highly tuned (engine, suspension, brakes) we'll leave it out of the comparison. None of these other vehicles exhibited the amount of body roll, IMHO, that the LX470 did (even during its stiffest suspension setting) either in appreciable road curves or attempts to simulate a quick swerve. Further, the LX470 seemed to dip a bit and require a lot more room to brake on a quick-stop. All of the other vehicles are, I believe, smaller, of lower weight, and closer to the ground which certainly contributes to these results.
In terms of cargo capacity, the M-Class approaches the closest, I think, to the LX470. Unfortunately, even in the AMG version (ML55), I still feel that the fit and finish aren't even close to the LX470. Alas, the BMW might be the strongest candidate now on my list, though its diminuitive size will restrict on occasion my desired cargo needs, *sigh*.
#182 of 1476 Taking the plunge too!
Oct 18, 2000 (3:53 pm)
Hello everyone! This is my first joining you. I must say I have gained a wealth of knowledge about the LX470 and would like to commend all of you for being so candid about your experiences. I've ordered a 2001 LX black/ivory which will not arrive until next year. In spite of the notorious HNL shifter, poor gas mileage (all full size SUVs), price tag, body lean (most, if not all SUVs), this is my top pick. I have been considering SUV's for the past 2 yrs and there is really NO...comparison. The problems mentioned with the LX have nothing to do with quality, reliability, resale value, and crash worthiness. Those are things that are important to me. From all indications, the LX is way ahead of the game. Thanks for letting me share (smile).
Oct 18, 2000 (5:48 pm)
I also like the Blue Vapor color and has ordered one with DVD and Lexus Phone. However the dealer says he'll have one with Beige color in a few days. But I have to wait several weeks to get one with Blue Vapor color. So I have to decide what to do in a few days. Any advice? I got a very good deal from this dealer and I am afraid he may change hos mind and never gave the car to me.
By the way, can you share with us how much you paid for the car from Florida? I got a quote from this source also and the price was LESS competitive than what I got from the local dealer.
By the way, is the body sway and braking distance a serious issue in your experience?
Oct 18, 2000 (6:38 pm)
What's the matter with you guys? Ever heard of First Amendment Right? Listen, I can post what I want to post, and you can just ignore it. Fair enough.
There is indeed a repair kit out for HNL vibration. After the patch, the kit got the seal of approval from my all mighty cat who now will seat in front seat. Contact your dealers. On second thought, just ignore this post. Regards,