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#4860 of 5002 Re: Dash warning lights [drawlings]
Feb 04, 2010 (7:21 am)
You have some very useful advice/knowledge to share... Thanks!
I'm having a problem with my LR. I have a 2002 Land Rover Discovery II. Recently the "service engine soon" light came on. I took it to a local mechanic and they said I needed new spark plugs, wires, etc. so I had a 100K mile tune-up done which cost $760. I got 2 miles down the road and the check engine light came on again, so I decided to take my truck to the dealer where I bought it. The dealer said the plugs and wires were no good AND that I need new head and sub gaskets. They said I've got an oil and coolant leak and so on and so forth. I've shopped all over the internet looking for factor LR plugs and wires and can't find them anywhere. I'm going to take my truck back to the mechanic to redo my plugs and wires because they're going to cover re-doing the original job.
As for the head/sub gaskets and cylinder #4 not putting out/off enough pounds - what should I do? The LR service shop wants to charge $4500!!! Does that sound right? I know the economy is bad and dealerships are hurting, but I don't want to get raped in car repairs.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Feb 04, 2010 (8:40 am)
If you only learn one thing from me in life then let it be this: do not sink your money into repairing a Land Rover... There are stories world wide about taking it to repair shops and dealerships for repairs only to have every single problem return a short while later, much like the service engine soon light... LR should have done a recall on every single vehicle they've sold since 1999 but they don't care... They got your money and have already forgotten about you... Stop making the dealerships richer... They're never going to learn their lesson if we keep lining up like suckers... We have to let Ford know that we won't put up with it...
You're heading down the same road I ventured down (except I refused to get it fixed)... I finally had to retire my LR and buy a 2010 Chevy Malibu b/c en route to my girlfriend's house I had 9 lights appear on my dashboard, 3 were flashing intermittently in non-unison... A few minutes later, my internal and external lights all went dark and soon after, all gauges zero'd out... I was quoted at $3500 just to fix the 3 Amigos lights (a very common problem on LR that also does not get fixed after you take it to get "fixed")...
These cars are not worth the trouble... Ditch yours NOW
#4862 of 5002 Re: Dash warning lights [mepkeprice]
Feb 04, 2010 (9:18 am)
The Discovery Rover will on the average need head gaskets at about 130K, give or take some miles. That entails a new head gasket kit from the long-block up and a ER6621 plenum gasket which is an additional cost. The head bolts will need to be replaced as well. Coolant hoses should be replaced as well if there is any difficulty in removing them, which usually results in a torn or broken hose here and there. It is also not unusual for the timing gasket to leak coolant as well, so that would or should be replaced as well, with a new front seal and if your mileage is around 100k or more, then the timing chain is only $20 so might as well replace it while your in there. You're looking at about $520 in parts and they can be obtained from partsgeek.com or autopartswarehouse.com. Both can provide OEM factory replacement or equivalent. You can find your wires and plugs there as well.
$4500 is a bit steep for head gasket replacement, normally running about $1000 less on average.
As for the comments about how bad Rovers are from a service standpoint, the fondness for these vehicles is actually more established in their outstanding off-road capabilities and the trade-off for the repairs is equitable in that regard. If you've purchased a LR as a primary vehicle with the hopes that it will provide you years of pleasure from a low-maintenance service record, then you purchased the wrong vehicle altogether. Their history is no secret and it's critical to consider this when choosing the LR for your needs. Most LR owners perform maintenance and service work themselves and it is sort of a hobby, again with a focus toward its off-road performance.
If you use the LR as a primary vehicle and you don't intend on repairing it yourself to the greatest extent, then you indeed need to trade it in for something more dependable in that regard. If this is the case, I would not put any repair money into it because the value of the 2002 LR right now is about 3200 to 3500 trade-in value, depending upon which specific model you have. The needed repairs would put you at about $1000 less and dealers usually expect to put about $1000 or so into used vehicles on average to establish them as road-worthy. Depending upon what you're looking to purchase, you can play around with the numbers slightly, but don't expect to get your money out of a LR in this year class. It won't happen, particularly with the economy factors being pressed by the government to urge purchase of high gas mileage alternatives, which causes book values on vehicles like LR to plummet.
So if you are a diehard LR jockey and you like going off-road alot, then keep it and do the repairs yourself. You can join the LR forum and obtain a free repair manual.
If you're planning on keeping it and having it repaired as your primary car, it'll empty your wallet in a hurry.
Feb 04, 2010 (10:37 am)
I agree with the other comments - I loved mine but I had to part with it. I ended up with a Hummer H3 with an inline 5-liter that I love (of course Hummer is nearing the end, I guess, but it is really a GM Colorado anyway).
My check engine light came on with the defect of the O2 sensor. I also noticed some black exhaust and poor fuel mileage when that happened. Changing the sensor fixed my issues. Good Luck!
Feb 16, 2010 (12:42 pm)
I have a 2002 Disco w/ 110k miles on her Many ISSUES, a new head replacement, whereever coollant could leak it leaked, including replacing the water pump, 2 new window motors (same window within 6 months), ABS issues, etc. My issue now is a starting problem. It will start 9 out of 10 times. When it doesn't start it will just turn over like there's no ignition or it's not getting fuel. A couple times while driving many of the intruments warning lights have come on... although after turning off and restarting they stay off??? When it doesn't start I'll just let it sit for awhile and then she starts up again and runs fine. Is this a fuel pump issue, or perhaps an ignition issue, or something else??? Thx, Al
#4865 of 5002 Re: Starting Problem [discoissues]
Feb 16, 2010 (12:48 pm)
crankshaft position sensor?
#4866 of 5002 Re: Starting Problem [heyomar]
Feb 16, 2010 (12:57 pm)
Where is that located? How would that effect the starting?
#4867 of 5002 Re: Starting Problem [discoissues]
Feb 20, 2010 (6:14 pm)
I had the same problem with my 2001 disco II. Turn out to be crankshaft position sensor. It's a bear to replace due to it location between the exhaust pipes and the engine block on the driver side of the car. Very tight space. I borught the part from atlantic british for $79.00. Good luck.
#4868 of 5002 Re: Starting Problem [gogodisco]
Feb 23, 2010 (12:43 pm)
Thanks so much for the advice. I think that did it... crankshaft position sensor. Much cheaper than a fuel pump! Just picked it up and that seems to have been the problem. Need to drive more to know for sure..... Thx!
#4869 of 5002 Re: Dash warning lights [discoii01]
Feb 24, 2010 (11:20 am)
Here in San Antonio, just bought a 2003 Disco. 64,000 miles on it for $10,000 mint.
Already have issues though as was expected. 3 amigos come off and on. Brakes need to be replaced. You mentioned in the above post about getting a free repair manual. Can you direct me where to get this free manual. I most certainly will be doing as much work on the truck myself as I can. Thanks for any advice/info you can give me.