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#4038 of 5002 Help: Buying 2001 Land Rover
Feb 18, 2005 (9:01 pm)
I am planning to buy 2001 Land Rover Discovery II SE7 with 71000 miles for about $15k with extended warranty. I have read various great and bad comments about this SUV and am confused.
I really like this car offer because of the price, power, and features but am not sure because I dont go off-road and I need a family car.
Also, I dont know how to check if I am getting a good deal. I cheked for prices but I cant find anything on web that will help me evaluate/inspect the car.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
PS: This is my first post here.
#4039 of 5002 Raga's first post
Feb 22, 2005 (9:22 am)
That sounds like a good vehicle. At 71k miles it's been used enough to demonstrate it doesn't have any chronic "issues". The extended warranty is good, but being a cheapskate I'd try to knock the price down a little. I think there are price charts here at Edmunds you can look up, or try KBB.com
If you want to really get a close look at it, schedule a service at a Rover dealership. Have them go over it with a fine tooth comb and also provide you a vehicle history (available by VIN). Be prepared to spend a couple hundred bucks. You might be able to negotiate that amount off the sales price should you decide to buy?
It will be a great family car but it will SUCK gas driving it on errands. My wife loves my Disco and prefers it over anything else she's ever driven: Mercedes, Passats, Volvos, you name it.
I've used mine to haul some horrendous loads and it has performed flawlessly. How about 36 cartons of 18" slate flooring in one trip? No sweat. That was well over a ton of stone. 45 cartons of wood flooring in one trip, again no sweat. I've used mine extensively for offroading and hauling my Scout troop around since 1997 and it has never failed (once I got it past some initial "issues").
You'll love and hate this truck... it's the nature of the beast. Good luck!
Feb 23, 2005 (7:09 pm)
Just a note of thanks for the information and occational laugh. I just bought my first Disco. 2001 Series II SD with 69k miles. This group was a great resource on what happens in the real Rover world.
#4041 of 5002 Re: Raga's first post [nanuq]
Feb 25, 2005 (8:01 am)
Thanks a lot for the information. Although I am not buying this beast for off-road, but I am sure it will be fun for long drives.
I really appreciate your suggestions and will try to follow each of them.
#4042 of 5002 Choosing between a Explorer and Disco II
Feb 25, 2005 (9:19 am)
I am trying to assess the cost/value difference buying a Ford Explorer and the Discovery II. I have leased 3 Explorers and know what I buying, but Land Rovers are new to me and it's hard trying to figure out if it will be more expensive to maintain than I want. The one I'm looking at is listed at $13950 w/ 66400miles. It also has the performance package w/ 18inch tires. the dealer is offering a 2yr/30000 for $450 or a 3yr/45000 for $550. Help, the info in Discovery's is very conflicting.
Feb 26, 2005 (1:03 am)
I don't know if my opinion is valuable to you, because I buy vehicles with the expectation of driving them "forever".
Regardless, here's my take on it: you can lease another Explorer and when the lease is up you still won't own a vehicle. For about the same money you can buy a Land Rover. I'm guessing it's about the same money or it wouldn't be a hard choice, correct?
A Rover is designed to be durable. It will still be in service long after the Explorer has outlived its design parameters (some would call it planned obsolescence). For $14,000 you can own a vehicle that will last longer than you want it to. What does this mean? You won't be leasing any more Explorers. When the $14,000 is paid off you have no more payments. The savings then is the money you DON'T have to spend to keep a vehicle in your garage.
If the Disco is over 60k miles then it likely doesn't have any chronic issues. The dealership can give you its history, retrievable by VIN. That will reveal any problems that just won't go away.
If you do buy the truck get the longest warranty you can. 3yr/45000 for $550 is a BARGAIN. That will take you over 100,000 miles which is when things begin to wear out, like alternators and power steering pumps. Each of those will cost what that entire warranty does. An ABS pump will be twice that.
Rovers are a love/hate thing. You are embarking on an adventure. Over the course of 5 years you will be money ahead with the Disco. Those 3 reasons can argue for the Rover... if they fit with what you expect from a vehicle.
From personal experience my Disco has been BY FAR the most reliable, trouble-free vehicle I've ever owned. And I use it hard, regularly. It lives a hard life here in Alaska and it thrives. I personally can't imagine NOT owning a Rover the rest of my life. I expect this one to last me another 10 years easily. Can I say as much of any other vehicle I've owned? Not hardly.
Good luck in your decision, -Bob
#4044 of 5002 Re: Rose05 [nanuq]
Feb 26, 2005 (4:21 pm)
but I plan of buying one or the other. I did want a change from the Explorer. However, the person who is selling the Disco put me in touch with a service person who went I talked to him doesn't recommend them. He says people spend an avg of $1000-3000 on repairs a year. He mentioned problems with radiator leaks, electrical failures/malfunctions, and engine problems. This was not encouraging. I did have my heart set on getting one but I don't want a money pit. After reading your response I will ask the dealer what the warranty covers and what it doesn't. I've been actively looking for a SUV for a month now and thought I was done.
If you have any other insights let me know.
#4045 of 5002 Radiator leaks?
Feb 27, 2005 (2:26 am)
Holy smokes, it sounds like you've got a disenchanted service person there. I guess it can happen.
Many people with Discos have electrical weirdness. Lucas electronics didn't earn the moniker "Lucas, Prince of Darkness" for no reason. But Lucas electrics pretty much disappeared with the SeriesII Disco like yours. The nice thing about electrical weirdness is, once it's fixed it tends to stay fixed. So a history by VIN will reveal if this is something your potential truck has going on. Almost all the SII Discos have Bosch electrics, and that was a nice improvement. Look at its history by VIN.
Radiator leaks? Holy mackerel. That's a $50 solder job at Joe's garage. I've never heard of one leaking.
Engine trouble: again that's nearly always an electrical problem. Some had leaky head gaskets: your warranty had better cover that! Likewise the '96 Discos (like mine) had sticking exhaust valves. Mine were fixed under warranty.
The Disco is one of the only trucks available with a gear-driven transfer case. That is massively strong. It will not fail. The transmission is the same one sourced for the high end Mercedes coupes... they DO NOT FAIL period. The differentials and axles on your SII are much simpler and stronger than those on my SI and I use mine hard with locking diffs front and back. I've never broken anything offroad. The suspension is probably twice as stout as anything else in its class, and the chassis is like a tank. The engine in the SI came from the old Buick Fireball V8 and I believe the SII engine is from BMW. With Bosch electrics.
I cannot believe the $1000-$3000 per year for repairs. Since my warranty ran out (3 yrs after purchase) I have had one failure, for a viscous coupler on my engine's fan. That's all. It died at 92,000 miles. The only wear items have been brake pads. I have performed maintenance on my own and have replaced the serpentine belt, air filter, and of course oil and oil filter. I replace all fluids annually and still it is FAR less than $1000 just for the maintenance.
This truck gets used hard, offroading and taking my Scout troop camping all over Alaska at least every month. I have had it in snow up to my headlights more times than I care to admit, in mud over my tires, in rivers, on glaciers, nearly upside down 100 times, and it has never hiccuped or failed. I can't imagine EVER getting rid of this truck.
As for longevity, talk to Mike Green at West Coast British in L.A. Last time I talked to him (about 2 years ago) he had 650,000 miles on his '96 Disco. With one engine rebuild.
The flip side of the coin is, of course, you could get a bad Disco and everything I've said is useless. The VIN history should point out any chronic issues. But if you get a GOOD one like I did, then you're in for a treat.
Take a look here... I haven't posted this in a long time. It's a piece by Matthew Parris. Enjoy! It's what got me turned on to Rovers.
With best wishes, -Bob
#4046 of 5002 Chattering when ABS and Traction control on
Mar 03, 2005 (6:17 pm)
OK, I've had my new (2001) Disco for about 6 hours and I've noticed a chattering (grinding) in the left front tire area when the ABS or Traction Control are on. I was on snow and ice and noticed it both when I brake hard (ABS) and when the tires began to slip (Traction control).
Other than the noise and added vibration things seem to be operating normaly. I got a 30day 1000 mile warranty and don't want to wait if this is somthing serious.
Any and all. I appreciate you're input!!!!
#4047 of 5002 Chattering and grinding
Mar 03, 2005 (11:58 pm)
Welcome to the world of Rover ABS!
It's perfectly normal. Look beneath the bonnet (I love saying that) and you'll see the ABS module bolted to the firewall right in front of where you're sitting. It's a VERY sophisticated 4-channel system and when you slide (or spin) a wheel it will react by bleeding off brake pressure to the wheel in question. On my Disco it sounds like a ball in a tube sitting on top of a spring and the ball bounces up and down very quickly letting brake pressure bleed past.
The traction control system uses the ABS system to detect differential wheel rotation rates (slip vs. spin) and then to apply braking power to the one spinning wheel, thus sending power across the axle/differential to the nonspinning wheel. Likewise when it detects a sliding wheel it reduces braking pressure to THAT ONE WHEEL until the wheel begins to roll once more.
It's a great system... what you're hearing is normal. Try it on bare pavement and it won't happen I betcha.
Enjoy your 6-hour old truck!! -Bob