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#3950 of 5001 ABS,TC, Hill Descent Lights on
Nov 22, 2004 (10:47 pm)
I have a 2001 Discovery II w/ 54k on it. The other day, the ABS, TC and Hill Descent lights came on and didn't go off. I knew the front brake pads needed to be replaced and took it to a shop (not the dealer)The lights were still on when I got it back. They said to take it to the LR dealer. I called the dealer to inquire about the lights and they said it could be the ABS Modulator. There was a recall for the supports of the modulator, and I had that done at the 40k checkup. From what I understand, the ABS Modulator is around $2,500 just for the part. I'm going to take it in next week and pay the $75.00 for them to tell me what it is. At this point, the ABS is not working and it takes a lot longer to stop. If the problem turns out to be the modulator,there is no way I can afford to have it replaced. IF LR knows there is a problem (since they had a recall on the supports) is there anything that can be done? Obviously the recall did not address the entire problem. The dealer did say it could be a sensor, but from what I've read on this forum, that can be hit-or-miss. I'm in a panic over this. I bugged my husband to let me get this vehicle and he is not a happy camper. I can't trade it in now with those lights on and I will be stuck with a truck that has no value whatsoever. Not to mention a husband who says "I told you so"..(he's a Saab man) need I say more?
Any ideas? What are the chances of finding a rebuilt modulator out there?
For a lark about a month ago, I took it to a Nissan dealer to discuss trading it on a new Xterra (a pretty junky vehicle, compared to the LR) they only offered me $13,000. I was so shocked and disgusted at the lowball price, I walked out on the salesman. He tried to tell me that the 2005 Land Rovers are making the Discovery Series virtually worthless.
Can this be true?
Any ideas?? Advice??
#3951 of 5001 Re: ABS,TC, Hill Descent Lights on [lblair]
Nov 22, 2004 (11:32 pm)
I cant help you with your technical problem, you might want to check out the forums on Discoweb for that. They are highly specialized.
As far as the value is concerned, there is no question that the new LR3 will have an impact. (I just bought a 2004 Disco so I am well aware of it!). In addition, the Disco II has the older engine that was upgraded with many other changes in 2003. So you have a double hit.
I took a quick look at the TMV trade in pricing for the 2001 Disco LE with 54K miles and average condition. THe trade-in value was $13,600. Since Edmunds can be a little high as compared to Galves (in my experience anyway), the $13k offer maybe was a little low, but not that much.
You might want to check out the Real World Trade In Values forum..Terry is an expert in valuing used vehicles.
#3952 of 5001 Re: ABS,TC, Hill Descent Lights on [peeete]
Nov 23, 2004 (6:27 am)
Thanks for your input, even though it wasn't exactly what I wanted to hear. I'll check out the RWTIV forum, but I suspect they will only confirm what you (and the salesman) have said.
Just more fuel for my husband..Don't you just hate it when someone says "I told you so" and they are right?
#3953 of 5001 K&N AIR FILTER COULD VOID YOUR WARRANTY!
Nov 23, 2004 (4:22 pm)
If anyone out there is using the rectangle K&N Filter that drops into the factory intake I would SERIOUSLY reconsider. I have been using one for about 1000 miles on my 01 Discovery II and I recently had the Service Engine Soon light illuminate. The dealer read the code and said the engine was receiving reduced airflow. Furthermore, Land Rover has just released a factory bulletin stating these filters will void some warranty work on the vehicle. In layman terms, the filter is releasing fibers that damage an optical sensor in the intake which costs about $700-1000 to replace.
Nov 24, 2004 (7:21 am)
Been noticing a lot more offroad accessories for the DI than the DII. Are the DI's better than the DII's as a truck for true off roading? I own a DII, and would like to look into purchasing a DI as a weekend offroad warrior. Any years of the DI's to avoid? Thanks!
#3957 of 5001 Re: DI and DII [mnrover]
Nov 24, 2004 (10:35 am)
Yes, the DI is a better off-roader than the DII. Although the DII is no slouch.
#3958 of 5001 Re: ABS,TC, Hill Descent Lights on [lblair]
Nov 25, 2004 (7:32 pm)
Not to be argumentative, but I thought that in the real world ABS will have only minimal impact on braking distances? (Granted they will help avoid locking up the brakes in an emergency stop.)Yes, no?
Dec 03, 2004 (1:57 pm)
Here in Alaska I disconnected my ABS and just live with the orange light on the dash. When reactivated ABS will modulate the brakes and supposedly give improved brake performance in snow, BUT... I haven't found that to be the case.
People claim that ABS allows them to steer around obstacles while braking with ABS activated. I have never found this to be true.
Consider that a standard ABS system does not use accelerometers or any other device to measure cornering forces. All ABS does is measure to rotational rate of your wheels, and the change in that rate. ABS is designed to maximize braking traction... ideally it would use 100% of your traction to stop you.
BUT: if you're using 100% traction to stop, there is zero left over with which to corner. Meaning, you can't "steer around obstacles" unless the ABS system is using less than 100% of your braking capacity... which means I can do better with the system deactivated.
I think ABS was developed to help out the folks that tend to panic and stand on the brakes in a slide. For those people it's better than nothing. But for me, I'd love to have a console switch to easily override ABS.
Last point: when you bury your Rover in snow, you can often free yourself by locking the diffs and then "rocking" fore and aft with quick shifts and bursts of throttle. However, there is so much drivetrain momentum that you have to stab the brakes and stop the spin before you switch gears... otherwise it clonks badly. With ABS activated it intercepts that quick stab of the brakes and reduces the braking power available. It allows the drivetrain to continue spinning and prevents you from shifting fore/aft quick enough to rock yourself out of the ditch.
Just my $.02 -Bob