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Land Rover Discovery, Land Rover Discovery Series II, Audio, Entertainment System, Navigation System, Performance Mods, SUV
#3900 of 5002 Re: LR3 Question [habitat1]
Oct 07, 2004 (11:57 am)
The LR3 (still called the Discovery here)has now been thoroughly tested by the British motoring press. It has received universal acclaim as the best in its segment. What Car has published a very comprehensive test against the XC90, X5 and Touraeg. The LR3 was the clear winner in every single category. Admittedly they were testing the diesel engines in each model (which are by far the most popular in Europe where leaded petrol costs about the same as red wine) so I cannot say if the v8's would have stacked up the same way. The LR3 is now completely sold out for 2004 in the UK yet there isn't a single vehicle yet in a dealers showroom. Land Rover certainly have a winner with the LR3 and I suggest you should wait to drive one yourself before buying anything else in this segment.
#3901 of 5002 Re: LR3 Question [hatton3]
Oct 07, 2004 (1:16 pm)
Advice appreciated. I'll try to check out that comparison if it is on the web.
I've always admired British style - owned an old Jaguar E-Type that I still think is one of the best looking cars of all time. Unfortunately, it did have a few mechanical issues that forced me to sell it to maintain my sanity. My more recent Honda S2000 required 4 oil changes in 2.5 years, period.
I will try to hold off making any decisions until the LR3 arrives. Thanks again.
#3902 of 5002 Brake, TC and ABS lights on LR Discovery 2004; Miles 11K
Oct 10, 2004 (5:11 pm)
All three lights, i.e. BRAKE-TC-ABS are coming on more often. They are coming on if I stop on the traffic lights (not always). But today they came on atleast 2-3 times in a span of 2-3 hours and I did not take the highway(FYI). I took the vehicle off-roadin gin Hollister hills 2-3 weeks back and after I got back got it washed and since then I have been noticing squeaking noise when I press brakes. I tool the vehicle to dealer for few other things and mentioned about the three lights (last week) and he replaced the ABS sensor. But for the last 2 days again lights are coming on. What is going on? I did a search on archives in this forum and found out that it is very common problem. How much concern should I be?? I just want to be more eductaed about this problem when I go back to the dealer..
Oct 13, 2004 (5:43 pm)
If you haven't already figured it out, LR3 is to replace the Discovery because it IS the Discovery! As Hatton3 has mentioned, it is still called Discovery everywhere else. A Sales Guide at my local Land Rover Center explained to me the lettered nomenclature (LR3) is done for legal requirements pertaining to the leasing plans here in north America.
FYI (again, if you didn't ALREADY come to that conclusion),
Oct 13, 2004 (5:53 pm)
Yes, the ABS sensors! I have a 2003 Discovery and have had one of the front sensors replaced (they are under warranty) after seeing the same lights on my console. About a month later, those lights were back on and one of the rear sensors was replaced. No problems with the sensors anymore (been over a year). So if those lights are back, it may simply mean another (different location) sensor needs replacement. As you have no doubt read on this board, once these things get fixed, they seem to stay fixed. So keep at it and if they ultimately all need to be "fixed", then at least you know they'll more than likely stay that way (I doubt it will have to go that far).
Oct 13, 2004 (7:05 pm)
The name change to LR3 had nothing to do with legal requirements. It was decided by the North American marketing group to change the name. It mostly was done to let the American public know that this was indeed a new vehicle, not a freshening of the Discovery. Don't know if I agree with it, but it isn't going to change. The only reason to do this from a leasing standpoint would be to have residuals not be tied to the prior vehicle.
#3906 of 5002 Re: Charlie2K2 [tincup47]
Oct 14, 2004 (1:44 am)
And, as a member of the "American public", I believe that it makes good marketing sense to put as much distance between the former Discovery and new LR3.
Correct or not, the perception among those that I have discussed SUV's with is that the Discovery is a vehicle to be avoided. Huge depreciation hits the moment it is driven off the lot, poor handling and driving dynamics, lack of quality control and numerous and mechanical annoyances, etc. In the words of one of our neighbors who still owns a 2001 version, he went for it in part "to be different" than the generic Japanese / American SUV. However, he didn't intend "to be stupid" about being different and after having numerous mechanical problems and getting extremely low trade in value quotes (even to jump up to a Range Rover), he now describes his Discovery as "hands down, my worst automotive decision in 30 years". He happens to be a prominant reporter for the Washington Post, so I'm guessing I'm not the first he has shared this opinion with.
And anyone that checks the Washington Post and sees Discoveries being advertised at $10,000+ under MSRP - less than a Honda Pilot - are certainly not going to be inclined to rush to test drive the LR3 at a $50k MSRP if there is perceived to be ANY connection between the two. Land Rover has a tough enough job on their hands just to convince most of the American public that the LR3 is worth considering at all, even without a name connection to the Discovery.
I am interested in giving the LR3 a fair evaluation. Had it been called the "Discovery 3", I wouldn't be a candidate at $35k, let alone $50k.
#3907 of 5002 LR3 To Be Sold at MSRP
Oct 14, 2004 (9:33 am)
I decided to check into the new LR3. A colleague of mine, her dad works for Land Rover. He has been driving a test model for some time. Since he works for Ford, I asked if he could get me a deal on the new LR3. He shared that Land Rover is going to try to hold prices at MSRP for the first few months of release. He said the best he could do in good concious was ask for a $500 discount off of MSRP.
I also did some checking on my own. Land Rover has some pretty aggressive numbers for this vehicle. One Centre Manager told me that they would like to move 5,000 vehicles in the US by the end of the year. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Land Rover historically has poor quality control on vehicles. Also, resale value stinks. So what will win out? I am hoping that banks are not fooled by the new badging. I am hoping that the past will force the dealers to sell vehicles below MSRP sooner than later. Even the best selling SUVs have some play right now. Sell 5000 vehicles or stick to MSRP?
BTW - I owned a 95 Disco, Biarritz Blue. My dad had a Disco as well. Our problems were minimal, but it wasnt the car best I've ever had either. At the time, we bought to be different too.
Oct 14, 2004 (4:15 pm)
Hmm. Your message spiked my curiosity! The Sales Guide I mentioned didn’t say anything about an “image” change. He only mentioned leases as the reason for the change in name (Discovery to LR3). So now I’m wondering: If Land Rovers had/have a bad reputation (low resale, etc.) then why is the new Land Rover Range Rover still called by the same name? Conversely, why is the new Discovery not called LR3 everywhere else in the world to get away from a perceived bad reputation? I do recall the Sales Guide mentioning something about leasing “residuals”, but I sort of blanked out after hearing that!
You work for LRNA, so do you know why the LR3 is still called Discovery throughout the world instead of following suit with north America? They've gotta' have a reason! Again, I’m curious now!
#3909 of 5002 Re: Tincup47 [charlie2k2]
Oct 14, 2004 (7:46 pm)
The reason is... everywhere else, Discovery is a respected name. Only in America it's not worth that much more than Explorer. Range Rover is still a decent brand even in North America.