Last post on Sep 09, 2013 at 9:47 AM
You are in the Land Rover
What is this discussion about?
Land Rover Discovery, Land Rover Discovery Series II, Audio, Entertainment System, Navigation System, Performance Mods, SUV
#3223 of 5002 Currently considering a 2003 Disco LR
Aug 24, 2003 (7:40 pm)
Hello everyone... I realize that when one decides to purchase a Land Rover, it is based on personal choices and needs. I'm against to wall here and don't know whether to take the plunge or not. I have heard from varies friends who are ex-owners of land rovers (Discovery & Discovery II) not to ever purchase a land rover because of issues they have had in past ownership.
I am considering purchasing a '03 SE7 Land Rover, I realize the '03's have made many improvements, but are they more problem free then they were in most recent years? Are they a good value for the money... Would you purchase one if you could do it all over again?
Thank you in advance for your insite...
#3224 of 5002 Transmission Usage in Sand
Aug 25, 2003 (4:03 am)
I have an '03 Disco HSE and am looking for some advice on driving it in very soft and often deep sand. I was out there a month ago (Outer Banks) and took her out on the beach and drove in H and had the shifter on 3.
Wondering if I should be putting it in L and D for better traction.
Thanks for the advice.
DWPC....I live in central North Carolina and am very satisfied with the performance of my AC, takes a minute to cool the truck off when it's in the mid 90s, have no complaints.
#3225 of 5002 stopgo1...sand traction
Aug 25, 2003 (8:12 am)
Thanks for the feedback on the A/C. From past 4x4 experience in soft sand, I'd advise you to let the air out of your tires (to about 15 psi) and to use the highest gear you can. Carry a shovel and an air tank to re-inflate the tires before driving on pavement.
#3226 of 5002 To those considering an 03
Aug 25, 2003 (8:51 am)
I own a 03 Disco, it will be one year in Sept., and would definitely purchase one if I had to do it all over again.
I don't know that the Disco is a problem plagued vehicle as some make it seem, and its a fact that the quality bar has been raised with the 2003. I know someone with a 99 Disco, over 110 thousand miles, and $2500 in repair costs to date (not bad), who purchased a new 2003 a few months ago. He now has 2 Disco's and plans to keep them both. From what I've seen, Disco's hold up better over time than most (just check out the used ones on the dealers lot).
As far as value, I recently posted that the basic S model can be had for under $33k, which seems to be a good value. I think the S model is all you need, and I have seen dealers add sunroofs and jumpseats if those things appeal to you. ACE, real leather (I love the pleather in the S) and the factory CD players eat away at the value.
#3227 of 5002 $2500 in Repair Costs over 110K, 50K covered under warranty
Aug 25, 2003 (7:29 pm)
Miked03, IMHO $2500 in repair costs over 110K miles isn't all that great. Let me 'splain. Lets agree that 110K isn't a lot of miles these days, the first 50K was under warranty, and the miles were put on over say 3 or so years. So, we are looking at $2500 to go from 50K to 110K.
Were many of these miles off road? What was done besides, brakes, brakes, and the exhaust? Did he include $400 in tires in this?Nothing should have been required to have been done to the engine/trannny.(Didn't Nanuk post recently about a guy in LA with 500K on his 3.9 GM alu V8?) So, if nothing was done to the powertrain, that leaves us with $2500 in a lot of nickel and dime repairs done after the 50K warranty was up.
Maybe the guy had a lot more fun in his Disco than he would have had in a Ford Exploder, but $2500 in non-powertrain repairs in 18 -22 months of driving (that portion of the car's history after it hit 50K) is about $125 per month. Hello? What did I overlook?
#3228 of 5002 Disco repair costs
Aug 25, 2003 (7:58 pm)
This is a great place to get first hand info, so I hope I don't wear out my welcome. We're considering either a Discovery or an Audio allroad. We have an '01 Audit A6 2.7T, and absolutely love it, but two things concern us; long term maintenance costs and value retention. Our Audi has been utterly trouble free for 30K miles, but the warranty ends next year and from what I've learned on Audi forums, IF a repair is needed the costs are absolutely outrageous. (E.g.,$6-7K for turbos or $15K for a new transmission.) So...we're shying away from the allroad even thought its perfect for our needs for non-heroic off-pavement capability.
Second choice is a Disco. We just plain like the rig and, if it doesn't have a completely sterling reputation for reliability, at least it appears to be fixable without a second mortgage after warranty, and many (even major) repairs can be DIY. Is this a reasonable view?
Aug 25, 2003 (11:05 pm)
Absolutely. This is a simple vehicle. Crawl beneath it and you've got frame rails, an engine, transmission, transfer box, two axles and some suspension. Which part is broken? Unbolt it, take it out, if you can't fix it yourself have it fixed (but I can't imagine it being a drivetrain piece... they are bulletproof) and bolt it back in. There are some weirdnesses, such as removing the frame crossmember to get the transmission pan off. It takes a hydraulic spreader. Seems extreme, but... that crossmember is also preventing you punching a hold in your sump on a rock. See the reasoning these people use? It may be simple to repair but it may also be time consuming. And if so, that's fine as long as the intruding pieces serve a purpose toward longevity.
Another example: the front axle CV joints live in a swivel ball in a 90w lube bath. They *never* fail. Period. Sure the balls leak but so be it. How many Jeeps, Fords, Chevys, Dodges or even Hondas and Toyotas do you know where the original CVs or Hookes joints are still good at 200k miles? None, in my experience.
Granted, parts are expensive for a Disco. But if you maintain it, you won't have to replace parts for a long time. Ugliest case scenario here was a $2400 ABS switching/valve body posted recently. YIKES. But how many $15,000 transmissions will that buy?
Another example: the local shop has *never* replaced a failed transmission on a Disco, except one. It was delivered with no lube installed. Other than that they are bulletproof.
Final example: I have $2800 in repairs to my wife's Ford over the last 6 months. It has the same miles as the Disco and it is loose and tired on the road. By comparison I haven't had ANY repair expenses to the Disco in 3 years and 6 months ... and it gets used HARD offroad. I have fixed a couple things myself: one was an ABS sensor I bashed and had to stand upright again. The other was a dust seal at the end of a half-shaft that was leaking 90w all over creation. I had to pop off the hub center cap with a key, push the dust cap back on, and replace the hub center cap. Total time: 10 seconds.
Last thing to consider: a Land Rover is a love/hate thing. I can't stress that enough. You will love that truck like it's your child, and then you will hate it like the spawn of Hell. It's impossible to reason why, but it's real. Take a look here for some more about the matter:
#3230 of 5002 In Love with my Disco
Aug 26, 2003 (6:41 am)
I have just purchased a used 97 Disco loaded, with only 80k miles-it is immaculate, for only 11k. reading the above posts makes me; #1 feel good about my purchase, and #2 laugh at what I owned before--'98 pont grand prix gtp with 3 transmissions before 81k miles. I can already tell that my Disco will be a more reliable vehicle.
I have a quick question. Is there an reliable parts/accessory supplier on the east coast that I can get parts from? There are three dealers in Atlanta, but I am not sure of their reputation-still checking that out.
Anyway, I'm glad I found this site--theres alot of great info here, and Nanuq, you have a great website.
#3231 of 5002 Re: Nanuq
Aug 26, 2003 (7:23 am)
Great post and nice story. It ALMOST makes me want to buy the '67 Series III a neighbor has for sale (asking $4000, rusted frame, no brakes)!
#3232 of 5002 Rusty SIII
Aug 26, 2003 (8:06 am)
Oh man.... where does this vehicle, this heavenly carriage, this pinnacle of automotive grandeur live?
Whoops pardon, another part fell off. So much the better, it's getting simpler and lighter all the time!
Series Rovers... gotta love 'em!