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#2571 of 5002 Are DII's worth owning?
Jan 06, 2003 (8:29 pm)
My wife and I are considering buying a 2001 Discovery II. The vehicle has 10,000 miles on it and seems to be in excellent condition with the price being very agreeable. Our concern is with the cost of maintenance and are the brakes very troublesome. What is the expected gas mileage of this vehicle? Can an owner of a Discovery II please give me a brief account of their ownership experience? We want to be able to utilize this vehicle for a good ten years or so.
I can say for what I have seen and felt while test driving this seems to be the vehicle for us. It's like we have test driven every SUV out there and we always come back to the Land Rover Discovery II. I guess bottom line I want to feel good about what we are doing. THANK YOU OUT THERE....
Jan 07, 2003 (7:48 am)
Have someone pull up the vehicle's history by VIN. At 10k miles it either has a chronic irritation and someone got rid of it or they were in over their head and had to get out of the purchase. The good news is, once the irritation is fixed (if indeed that is the case) it will stay fixed.
Rovers are MUCH more reliable than they used to be. With Bosch electronics and simpler / tougher drive components than the earlier Discos, you have a truck that can easily go ten years. Mine is six years old now and still literally drives and works like a new truck, with 77k miles. Everything is tight, there are no clunks or rattles or loose parts anywhere. She always starts and runs like a scalded cat. I never try to maintain good mileage, and never really pay attention to how I'm driving, and I get around 11mpg in town and perhaps 15mpg on the highway.
I prefer the DI (Disco Series I) over the DII because it has shorter overhangs and the greenhouse feels much more spacious and "open". It has no feeling of claustrophobia, which I often feel in the DII. It has plenty of power, feeling just like the DII (to me). It also has a manual lock for the center diff. On the other hand, the DII has electronic traction control and that is perfectly adequate for 95% of owners. If you're going offroad, avoid the 18" wheels and ACE option.
You'll find the Disco is really not that much more expensive to maintain than other SUVs, except parts can be VERY expensive, and hard to find aftermarket. It used to be the quality control for parts was sketchy, but it's improving too. Service is pricey, but some things (like the auto trans service) is done once and then never again. It is extremely easy to change fluids on the Disco, and gratifying to do yourself. The hardest part will be finding a good place to recycle the used lubes.
As for brakes, most people go about 40k miles before needing new pads. I go about 17k miles. It is a VERY simple job to change them, and actually quite fun to do... and it gives you the chance to bleed and replenish your brake fluid frequently. Aftermarket pads are readily available and inexpensive. I've used Wagner and Lockheed and I prefer the Wagners. If you have the truck elevated on one side with wheels off, you could probably change the pads on a wheel in 15 minutes, including bleeding them. And then you rotate your tires and you're done!
It used to be a love/hate thing with Rovers, with aggravations that you accepted or dealt with... which were more than offset by the way the truck treated you the rest of the time. Now, the quality control has improved to where they are truly competitive for reliability standards, and in my opinion far more durable than anything else you'll find out there for comparable price. The MB Gelandewagen compares for durability but it's twice the money. For a visible demonstration, crawl beneath another SUV and look at its fasteners and the size of its components... then crawl beneath the Rover and compare. You'll be amazed.
Okay, enough blather. I hope this helps. Best regards, -Bob
#2573 of 5002 My Experience for brutus12
Jan 08, 2003 (6:46 am)
I purchased a 2002 Discovery II SE which had about 13k miles on it. At first I was not sure if I wanted to buy new, but after inspecting the vehicle, and getting a good price, I decided it was the way to go. Believe me, I still look forward to going/leaving work so I can look at my truck, and then drive it . For gas mileage, I get roughly 12 - 14.5 in the city (the 12mpg is when I have my Thule ski rack on). On the highway I get around 15 - 17mpg (again, the 15 is with the Thule ski rack). I just took it in for the 15k service, and the dealership experience was the best I ever had. They were fast, didn't charge me for services they didn't think I needed (like tire rotation/balance), and even dropped the car of at my house, and picked up the loaner. They also fixed a lot of little annoying issues that I found, such as a squeaking rear door/driver door, rocking drivers seat, etc. None of these were big, but the dealership treated them as such. If you are worried about the warranty, purchase an extended one with LandRover. I purchased a 6year/100k mile warranty, and it cost me roughly $1700. I do know that the warranty does go up when the vehicle hits 15k miles, so you might have some time to think about it. All in all, I think it was a good purchase, and I plan on keeping it for a long time (unless I just have to get a 2004 ....)
Jan 08, 2003 (2:05 pm)
I just wanted to pass along a couple of experiences I have had with my 01 Disco II that are not so positive.
Let me preface my message with this: I have dreamed of owning a Disco since college when I had seen a Land Rover Safari program with Discos trekking through the Amazon. I was totally pumped when I was in a position where I could actually own one. I test drove a bunch of other SUVs to be certain that it was as good as I thought it was and found that I truly liked the Land Rover better.
Four months into owning the car I had a fender bender that was my fault. I had applied light, quick pressure to the breaks and the anti-locks kicked on and I rolled, very slowly, into another car. I felt like the accident shouldn't have happened - I had never had anti-locks switch on so quickly - but I figured I had screwed up somehow. I asked the dealer about it in passing on my next service, and they assured me it was just me getting used to the car. Two months later I received the recall notification on the ABS. Who knows.... What I do know is I didn't have my truck for over 3 weeks because the body shop could not get the parts.
Most recently, my wife was driving the truck when the engine made a horrible noise. She pulled over, turned the car off and called me. I told her to start it so I could hear the noise. When she restarted the car there was no noise, but the service engine light was on. She drove it a short distance home while I called the dealership.
The first sign of trouble was the feedback that I couldn't get my car in for 6 business days because the were backed up - even if it was warranty work and even though they said don't drive it anywhere.
After some discussion about that response, they had me tow it in and they would get to it when they could. 3 business days later they were able to look at it. That is when I was informed that the 7th piston had seized. I would probably need a new engine, but the service manager would have to approve the order and he was on vacation till after Christmas. Oh, and by the way, we just had another Disco in here with the exact same problem and the car was in for over a month because the engine was back ordered.
At that point I had to ask for a loaner, which drew a deep sigh and a "let me check what's available". I am now driving a freelander, which is a fine car, but I still don't like it.
As the saga drew out over the holidays there has been a lot of finger pointing between the Land Rover dealer, which is a "Land Rover Center", and Land Rover Corporate.
- My truck won't be available until February.
- They are not fixing what my service manager said they were going to do at first.
- He mentioned that they will be remanufacturing parts - not a big confidence builder.
- Owner care at corporate has not called me back when they said they would.
I had always wanted this truck. I have had some awesome driving experiences on and off road with it. I recommended this truck to a friend who has had two and swears by them.
If I could get a out of owning this truck without loosing money I would. Just thought I should pass it along.
#2575 of 5002 Bummed owner ---- Tincup?
Jan 08, 2003 (3:12 pm)
That absolutely sucks. It sounds like the dealership has been the source of most of the trouble... for what it's worth, my dealership here has been gracious every step of the way. I wish you well.
Tincup, can you give us some indication of frequency of occurrence of this seized piston problem? I've never heard of it on any Rover. I wonder if that dealership is using poor filters, or poor oil? Do the trucks come from the factory "dry"? Is the oil replaced before the truck goes out the door?
#2576 of 5002 Diesel engines for Land Rover?
Jan 08, 2003 (8:59 pm)
Does Land Rover ever plan on putting a diesel engine in the Discovery for the USA market? I checked the Land Rover website and this is an option in UK and gets great MPG compared to the gas engines.
#2577 of 5002 respond to "brutus12"
Jan 09, 2003 (5:57 am)
go back and read the postings - you'll find more info than you care to ingest.
My 00 DII is the absolute best, most reliable, and trouble free vehicle I've ever owned ((out of 28 or so (some I only kept for 1 to 2 days, and that includes a number of Mercedes', BMW's, Toyotas' etc.)). And best of all - I still look foreward to driving it every day. I'm in LOVE !!!
My gas mileage has varied from 12 mpg offroad in Colorado to 24 mpg (believe it or not) on the flats of Kansas, with an average of 16 in everyday driving. Maintenance is no more than for my Toy 4x4 truck (and is free during the warranty period for my vehicle). My brakes are good with 40% life left at 30,000 miles. Dealership experience has been superb with a loaner Disco always at hand when needed.
Go for it !! Happy Rovering.
#2578 of 5002 Dealer opinions wanted - Washington State and environs
Jan 09, 2003 (8:55 am)
All the three LR dealers in WA are owned by the same person, so I don't exactly have a way to "go to the other guy" to get a good deal on a new Disco. Any comments, good or bad, about LR Seattle, Bellevue or Spokane?
How about the Portlad OR or Boise ID dealers?
Any luck at buying a new LR at less than MSRP from any of them?
BTW, is there a search mode for this forum? I can't find it if it exists. Thanks.
Jan 09, 2003 (9:27 am)
I'm in Boise, but I don't know anything good or bad about the local Land Rover dealer (lylepearson.com).
There's a keyword search and an Advanced Search tool on the left sidebar.
#2580 of 5002 Washington Rovers
Jan 09, 2003 (9:43 am)
My best advice, talk to Gord'n Perrot. He was in several forums many many moons ago, and nothing but good was ever said about him. He's at G&S Service, I believe in Bellevue or Kirkland.
Gord'n Perrot G&S Service SEA