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#2434 of 5002 Similar systems....
Nov 14, 2002 (4:06 pm)
Both system are ABS-based 4-wheel traction control system. Both are proven. Land Rover has a slight edge in this department.
1. Land Rover has a stronger LO-range (3.X vs. 2.57); HOWEVER, crawl ratio actually favors the 2003 4Runner with V8 (35 vs. 28).
2. Traction system on the Disco acts quicker than 4Runner...a good thing.
3. However, the Disco's traction system decreases it's action above 30 mph (not very important); 4Runner's system has no limit that i know of.
4. 4Runner does have stability control that can be shut off; Disco does not.
5. 4Runner has a LOCKABLE center differential; Disco (prior to 2003) did not.
6. 2003 4Runner's disc brakes are bigger.
Overall, for pure off-roading, the 2003 Disco 4wd system is probably a bit better, simply because it acts quicker.
Nov 14, 2002 (6:04 pm)
the 2002 and earlier Discos didnt have a lockable center differential? Isnt that kinda useless in slip situations, or does the traction control negate that effect?
#2436 of 5002 Locking diffs, Resale, Lead feet
Nov 15, 2002 (8:32 am)
My '96 has a locking center differential. You add lockers to both axles (about $1000) and hey presto... you're unbeatable.
In my view of the offroading world, you cannot separate 4WD performance from the suspension to which it attaches. Without long travel suspension your wheels will not stay in contact with the ground and your 4WD quickly loses ability to keep you moving.
My neighbor has a venerable FJ40 with the V8 engine swap. It's a fine truck and well maintained. But it has leaf springs and very limited suspension travel. Two summers ago we were in a situation where we had to climb a ledge, it was about 30" and fairly hard soil, nearly vertical. He let me go first and it was no problem getting my wheels up on it, then jockeying and going up. He just shook his head, smiled and said there was NO WAY he could get up that thing... and he was right. It's all in the suspension.
For the average Joe who wants to slop around in goo once in awhile, both the 4R and DII are fine. But if you're going Star Trek style, where no man has gone before, get something with long suspension travel, lockers, skid plates and short overhangs.
About resale: the trick is to buy a Disco with 9 months on the clock. They're out there in droves. People take the bite then regret it financially. You get the truck you want for the price you want, with a ton of warranty left.
Marsha: Mike runs expeditions down to South America and back with his Disco. That explains the BIG mileage.
Adverse weather: I drove to Kenai and back yesterday, 300+ miles in a driving snowstorm. I was caravaning with 4 other 4WDs and none of them were comfortable over 30mph. I took the lead and it was hard to hold back and wait for them. Eventually I just let my speed go and I was able to stop 5 times on the way back to clean the headlights and they still never caught up until our appointed grouping up point. The Rover is absolutely unshakeable and unstoppable in ugly conditions... I was refreshed though tense. The two Fords, the Subaru and the Chevy were not, and their drivers were a wreck when they arrived.
My $.02 -Bob
#2437 of 5002 Loocking Diffs, Resale, and Lead Feet
Nov 15, 2002 (9:08 am)
I would add to what Bob posted that an apparantly good source for year or more old Discos is Bear Valley Land Rovers, in Atlanta; http://www.bvlandrovers.com/ They have a very complete web site, and the prices are not bad. I've asked around both on this board and others, and they seem to have a good rep. Disclaimer - I am in no way assoc. with BVLR, and have not (yet) bought a vehicle from them.
Nov 15, 2002 (10:27 am)
The traction control does negate some of the problems with a lack of center diff lock. However, in extreme conditions, you would want the center diff to be locked (power always 50/50), instead of relying on shifting of torque back and forth constantly...kinda of like PREVENTIVE (center diff lock) vs. Reactive (no center diff lock).
Nov 15, 2002 (11:06 am)
re those aftermarket front lockers, can the be locked from the cabin? For someone who is just interested in light offroading but heavy snow and mud use, would a Torsen be a better choice, or would you recomend lockers?
Nov 15, 2002 (11:18 am)
I've looked quite awhile and found that your choice depends on your level of experience even more than what you want to do.
ARB lockers are incredible, but you have to use them RIGHT or you'll break parts in rocks and you'll put yourself off the road in ice and snow.
Torsen (or equivalent) are, in my humble opinion, the right choice for most. In ice and snow they'll send traction where you need it, but you have to watch for their weirdness too: climbing turns will be strange when you're on the throttle.
Look for Detroit Lockers (non-Torsen here), Tru-Trac, Quaiffe, etc. You can't go wrong, even fitted to front and rear axles. Just be prepared for a learning curve as you first use them. And consider the half-shaft upgrade if you'll be offroading much in summer.
My $.02 -Bob
#2442 of 5002 kullenberg & nanuq
Nov 17, 2002 (12:34 pm)
Kull: I happen to be in Atlanta, but I thought the only approved Land Rover dealer was Hennessey, and they have three dealerships in the metro area
Nan: a curious question...since the Disco is not the most common SUV on the road, why would people trade it in after 9 months (I assume between 6K and 12K miles)...especially to a Rover dealer??? if they were dissatisfied with the vehicle you would find the Disco on OTHER dealer lots, where they were traded in for something else...the only reason comes to my mind is if they trade in on a Range Rover, but that is quite a $$$ jump from a Disco... also, what are the most common complaints upon trade-in, why trade in so soon if the vehicle is that good???...what should a 9 month old Disco sell for...28K?, 30K? more??? thanks.
Nov 17, 2002 (4:10 pm)
Bear Valley Land Rovers is not ( to my knowledge) a franchised LR Center. In very basic terms, they are used car dealers that concentrate on LR's. It's interesting to go on their site and look at testimonials. They offer to give you contact info of those that will permit it. As to where the cars come from: a Disco ( and to a lessor extent, Range Rovers) require a "fine madness", to own. The technology is, for the most part old (LR says "proven"), the ergonomics of the cockpit is eccentric, but what they somehow have that other 4x4's don't is soul. I think they(Bear Valley) have become very good at picking up vehicles that owners have become disenchanted with, or low mileage trade in's from the auctions. Most will advise getting an extended warranty, but I'm convinced that you can do as well, by self insuring; ie put away two or three hundred into a fund to look after maint. ,after the warranty runs out. The good news here, is that if you don't use it you still have the money, whereas with an extended warranty, if you don't use it, it's gone.