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#17 of 1696 Durango vs Pathfinder by drachir May 10, 2000 (10:15 pm)
I have a 1999.5 Pathfinder that we are going to trade in real soon for a 2000 Durango. We got the PF a year ago and have loved it, but when it comes to towing power, it just does not have it! We have a 19' Travel Trailer that weighs 3600#, and we can't get over 45-50mph on small hills with the PF. We are taking the trailer on short trip this weekend, with the PF, and some real good hills, 6% grade over 3 miles long, we'll see how badly it does. Nissan makes a real quality and safe SUV, but even the new engine is not good for raw towing power, not near enough torque! We are thinking about the DD w/ 4.7 V-8 & 3.92 rear end gearing, in and SLT 4x4 DD. Can anyone give me some advise on towing with that engine and gear ratio. I don't really want to pay the price at the pump and have to go with the 5.9 and 3.92 rear end. If I have to I will, I need to tow this trailer with relative ease.
#18 of 1696 Rebate confirmed by captain13 May 11, 2000 (3:09 am)
My dealer in so. Wisc. confirmed the $1000 rebate today also. They didn't know anything about it when I asked late last week, (after reading about it here). Thanks again numbers1guy. I'm picking up my SLT on Sat. Is it normal for the rebate to be applied after taxes?
#19 of 1696 New Durango owner here ! by numbersguy1 May 11, 2000 (4:17 am)
Glad I waited a week for the rebate to kick in. Picked up my 4.7L this a.m. So far so good (except this guy almost backed into me after having the car off the lot for only 10 minutes !!) My rebate was applied after the taxes. The pre-printed sales contract has a line for it in the down-payment section after all fees are applied. Captain13, I am obviously happy to get the rebate, but as I told my wife, I am just as happy that someone else out there in Cyberland could benefit too. That was the reason to post in the first place and the reason to follow up with more info. Good luck with your purchase.
#20 of 1696 drachir.... by pr4mncplus May 11, 2000 (5:36 am)
I've got the 4.7L with the 3.92 rear gearing, as well as the FT4WD. It will pull your trailer with very little difficulty. I don't really see why most 2000 4WD DD owners would opt for the 5.9L unless they get the R/T or do A LOT of heavy duty pulling. My only recommendation, besides the towing package (of course), is to get the limited slip. Good luck. Replies to this message: sean3 (Dec 18, 2004 4:07 pm)
#21 of 1696 Engine Choice by mrboost May 11, 2000 (11:59 am)
The 4.7 vs 5.9 Topic had been discussed on The DOC Forum. It appears to me that at best you may get 2 MPG better in city and maybe 1 MPG Highway. This seems to be the concensus. I am getting about 13.9 City, over 16 Highway. You dont buy these things for mileage. Note I have friends with Blazers 4.3's, GC with 5.2's and 4.0's, and Explorers with V6's. None brag too much about mileage, usually 12-15 City and maybe 16-20MPG highway. SO I dont feel bad knowing I have gobs of tourque, more pulling power and third seat plus a "proven" drivetrain that has been around for years. Best advice would be to use synthetics in all your drive train to improve mileage.
#22 of 1696 Synthetic Oils by jleads May 11, 2000 (1:17 pm)
Mrboost, you are the second person that has recommended the use of synthetic oils to enhance performance. It sounds like great advice. What Lubrication recommendations can you make and what portions of the vehicle should be protected. As far has performance/gas mileage topics go... I have a coworker that uses a product called "Tornado" in the air intake of his Jeep. It's a fan like device made of sheet metal that creates a vortex in your air intake to enhance oxygen distribution to all cylinders. He says it gives him a 1-2 mpg increase as well as off the line torque. It might be something to research. Thanks for your time. Jeff
#23 of 1696 Lubes by mrboost May 11, 2000 (2:09 pm)
Hi In 4X4 you have a lot of losses in the drivetrain due to two differntials, Transfer case etc. I use Amsoil synhtetics in mine. I changed the front and rear diffs with their 75W-90 Gear Lube, added the Mopar Posi add for the LSD in the rear. My D takes ATF in the Tranfer case and ATF+4 7176 in the transmission. I have to do the transmission next. I also use their 0W-30 in the engine along with their Super Duty spin on oil filter and a drop in oil wetted foam 2 -stage air filter. This is a life time washable filter, good deal, work great. I have used the AMsoil in all my vehichle for the past 15 years and keep accurate mileage figures. On some used cars I have bought, I changed them over and found bout 3% better mileage in FWD. I dont really know on the D since some of the mileage increase could be due to break in. I would expect better MPG just due to the syns better flow in cold weather, less drag = better fuel economy. As far as your tornadoe device, I dont know but would be skeptical. I have seen mods to raise the "hat" on the plumbing from the air box to throttle body, but 1-2 MPG sounds high to me. I guess it depends what it costs. I just use my standard air box with the drop in oil wetted foam element.
#24 of 1696 Synthetics and Tornado scam... by rcarboni May 11, 2000 (3:47 pm)
I have switched to synthetics throughout, using Redline C+ in the tranny, Redline 75w90 in the diffs, and Mobil 1 10w30 in the engine. My '98 5.9 gets consistently 15+ mpg in "country" driving when I can keep the pedal off the floor. My personal opinion on the Tornado is that it is a scam. To produce optimal volumetric efficiency in an engine, the intake air must be as "straight" as possible. Creating turbulance in the air produces a negative effect to air streaming and would therefore hinder the movement of air into the combustion chamber by disrupting flow. A reduction in volumetric efficiency translates into a reduction in performance, and ultimately a reduction in MPG. The auto makers are constantly fighting against better MPG regulations. Don't you think that if something this cheap and simple actually produced better MPG, they would all be using it? If you want better mileage, keep your vehicle well tuned, keep the proper air in the tires, and go light on the pedal. For more perfomance, straighten out and open up your intake and exhaust.
#25 of 1696 Rebate is up on dodge's website by tessel8 May 11, 2000 (4:44 pm)
If you go to www.4adodge.com and click on the "durango" link, then the "incentives" link, you will see the new rebate up there. Woohoo. From their site.. ========================== Current national consumer incentives: U.S. cash allowance of $1,000 on 2000 Durango models available through 7/5/00.
#26 of 1696 pr4mncplus by drachir May 11, 2000 (11:38 pm)
Thanks for the input on your DD. I suspected that would be a good choice for both towing, and somewhat better mpg than the 5.9 V-8 and 3.92 rear end gears. I think that is what I will end up going with, if I can find one here in Oregon. I searched 3 dealers over last weekend and not 1 to be found in over 50 DD's on their lots. A lot of 5.9's & 3.92. Most 4.7's have 3.55 gears, and SLT Plus and all the gooey options. I just want a plain Jane SLT, no leather, big tires, and wife and son want the rear air, Oh Well!

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