still running! After reading thru many of these posts I guess I can't complain about --
-- replacing liftgate (46K--luckily, under Ford recall)
-- replacing brake rotors (50K)
-- rebuilt transmission (80K)
-- new fuel relay switch ( 90K after 2 months of never knowing if truck would start after being parked for ANY amount of time and several lunchtime tows to the mechanic after Ford couldn't diagnose)
-- brake jobs, brake jobs, brake jobs
Other than that . . . now has 170K and seems to have "settled down." Oh, the 4WD works intermittently, but thats OK-- didn't want it anyway.
So we're hanging on for as long as possible-- hope to replace in 2002 if our luck holds. Won't be getting another Explorer or Ford product. Dealerships' service departments were worse than poor-- now use good independent. But point of this was-- I thought we had a lemon until learning of others' problems-- think we'll be checking out Saturn's 2001 offering!
I need advice. I have a 2000 Explorer that has had three engines in the past 15 months for coolant intruding and mixing with the oil. I now have the same problem again. What are the odd's on that? I called Ford customer service and requested they replace this Explorer with another one.......Quote " Ford does not replace vehicles, we repair them"....... I would argue that statement. The state Lemon Laws in Mass. deduct a useage fee of .25 per mile 40,000 miles= give Ford their lemon back and still owe them $10,000. Lawyers suck all they want is your money= more of a loss. What can I do? Any advice?
#713 of 6400 tincup... do you go through life....
Apr 25, 2001 (3:55 pm)
with blinders, or do you just choose to look at only some of every picture? The study was specifically, i repeat, specifically calling attention to the fact that from '99 to '00, customer loyalty declined. In case you haven't really been paying attention, the argument is about "if they're such junk, why are there so many on the road?" DUH!!! statistics change from year to year. I didn't see a trend line or historical data presented anywhere in the story. Let's compare 1993 to 1994 to 1995, and so on. From our REAL data pool at the this and the other exploder related topics, the consumers who have gotten screwed by f.o.r.d. and their exploder outnumber those who were fortunate enough to have bought one of the better vintages, say 1994.
If you're going to make a point please try to offer something beside what is basically useless data.
i think that you may have little or no basis in what the reality is regarding the p.o.s. ford exploder. read the posts. three engines, miltiple transmission, people thinking that they have a good explorer even though their wipers go beserk. puh-lease.
in the story (talk about blinders)"Unhappy owners usually defect to a different brand the first chance they get". You are the one who keeps repeating that consumers are so dumb they continue to buy vehicles that fall apart on them. I just don't think thats true. The people on this forum represent a very small percentage of the number of people purchasing cars or having real experiences with them. Also this being on the internet, I have a hard time believing all the stories I read here. How do I know if you even own a Ford? You may be someone who has a chevy truck with a picture of Calvin whizzing on a Ford Logo. You may never have owned a Ford for all I know. I live in the real world, work in the Auto business, and base my opinions and purchases on what I experience.
In my opinion people are more apt to post about their problems with their trucks or cars, just look at the titles of the topics of the conferences the majority of them are about problems, its not only Ford products.
If every car was so perfect and built without flaws why make new ones and have different makes and models
you've pretty much proven my original point. i am ticked off at f.o.r.d. and firestone for royally screwing the owners of the exploder. i would love to switch brands, however, as as originaly stated, the truck is pretty much worthless. this is a direct result of pathetic quality control and the covering-up of a major safety issue. your attempt to deflect my point is really weak. you will deflect, diffuse and deny. of course i own a p.o.s. exploder. i have posted about specific problems with my '97. you also chose to ignore the FACT that the article had NOTHING to do with the historical sales numbers and how people have had, repeat, have had, blind faith in the exploder due to the sheer numbers on the road. can i take your argument about this board being a small percentage of actual owners and invert it and state that the FEW people who have a later model exploder and post here at edmunds are representative of the entire group of happy owners? my gosh, your arguments are nonsensical.
i dispute that notion that a majority of the discussion are about problems with vehicles. most are labeled this versus that or a generic title. please take an actual look. reality will set you free.
The Explorer is still the best selling SUV, despite the fact there are now over 50 alternatives. The fact that your 4 yr old SUV is worth 13-15,000 dollars is a problem many SUV owners are sharing. I checked the dealer ads in the Baltimore Sun last week, 97 Nissan Pathfinders, Isuzu Troopers and Toyota Forerunners were running 12-17000 dollars retail at dealerships. Face it, the gas crunch and the fact that tons of SUV's are coming off lease are the main reason prices are down. If you are updside down on a 4 year old vehicle you certainly paid too much if you bought it used, or must have financed it for way too long. You have had a bad experience, maybe you should get on with your life.I personally have had vehicles that had similar problems, I got rid of them and didn't buy another. Your blind faith comments have no facts to prove them, and common sense tells me that they just aren't true.
Ace, i just want to add that there is a difference in posting about problems and concerns about Ford products and just all out bashing the product and thinking that ford or others owe you something, yes by now we know you are ticked off at ford.