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#4072 of 6385 Exploring Explorer Issues
Jul 19, 2005 (6:14 pm)
After reading the recent series of posts about the rear end failures in the 2002-present Explorers I began to ask myself: “Why did I purchase an Explorer?” The answer, for me, was relatively easy. In 1999 I decided to get rid of my 1995 Truck of the Year GMC Jimmy. It was one of the worst vehicles I had ever owned. Read the posts on the GMC/Jimmy page to get an idea as to what went wrong with this SUV. Although my Explorer has been relatively good, I am beginning to feel that we have been taken by GM & Ford. They design their vehicles to maximize THEIR profit while we pay for their design flaws. The Explorer had major issues with their SOHC V6 when the timing chain tensioners began to fail because they had plastic components that had a high failure rate. I believe that this issue gave the Explorer its new name, “Exploder”. Of course we all remember the Firestone tire fiasco. It was pointed out that Ford and Firestone collaborated on the design of the Wilderness AT Tires. Ford was able to keep the cost down by insisting on a cheaper design that had a higher failure rate when the tires were under-inflated during the last phase of their useful life. This was exacerbated by the fact that Ford recommended that we keep tire pressure at 26 psi. The 26 psi was recommended to lower the probably of rollovers because of the way in which the Explorer followed the laws of physics. Toyota and Honda have had issues with their 4Runners and Pilots, but have their issues cost their buyers as much as those of us who purchased Jimmies and Explorers. Yes, Ford corrected the problems with the Explorers. But how many Explorer owners had to pay for new engines because of the tensioner issue? How many Explorer owners lost their lives because of the Wilderness AT tires? How many Explorer owners had to pay for new rear ends because Ford made the rear end housing out of aluminum to save a few pounds and/or some money? What ever happened to: ”Quality is Job One”? If the bean counters at Ford & GM had been willing to accept a little less in profit we would have a lot less to talk about on these sites. Maybe we would have just as much to talk about, but the issues would be much cheaper for many of us to resolve.
#4073 of 6385 Re: Exploring Explorer Issues [bioman]
Jul 19, 2005 (6:19 pm)
LOL, i posted similar message just today on the GMC Envoy board... only you said it better
#4074 of 6385 bioman, great explanation!
Jul 19, 2005 (7:43 pm)
bioman, wish I had your eloquence with the written word. You are right on the money when it comes to this situation. I asked the same question about "Quality is job one" on another forum (Either Autosite or Edmunds) about the Explorer transmission problem. The only thing that you might have added is the planned obsolescence issue. Incidentally, James J. Padilla, President of FoMOCo joined the company in 1966 as a quality control engineer, ironic isn't it?
Some years ago I worked for a manufacturer of custom built fire apparatus; we built everything from pumpers, aerial ladders, crash trucks, brush breakers, and other special design fire fighting vehicles. This equipment was expensive and had an anticipated service life of twenty-years except in major cities where the apparatus might go into reserve status earlier. The company had gone public and the holding company eventually started micro managing. At a staff meeting one of the "hot shots" from corporate headquarters ordered that we design to "Detroit standards" that was seven years for commercial chassis. That was the handwriting on the wall for me, I left the company, two years later there was a big brass padlock on the door. A rhetorical question: what do you think is going happen to the aluminum differential case in my 2004 EB 4.0L SOHC 4X4 Explorer having a transmission that sporadically has delayed violent engagement when shifting from drive to reverse and from reverse to drive? Just touching the accelerator triggers this action, at times it causes the driving tires to break traction on clean dry pavement. Mine was one of those that had the wrong tranny fluid installed at time of manufacture that mistake resulted in TSB 04B22 being issued. There has been four attempts to correct my problem without success, FoMoCo now refuses to do any further warranty work to correct the problem; vehicle has less than 12,000 miles and was one year old yesterday. I have a few postings about this subject on some previous pages.
#4075 of 6385 Re: bioman, great explanation! [tickedoff2]
Jul 19, 2005 (9:08 pm)
Gosh, You sure do have plenty to be ticked off about, tickedoff2. Yes, it really is a shame what the American car manufacturer's are doing to us. I'm driving a 2000 Explorer and my wife is driving a 1997 Explorer. The 1997 is due to be replaced in 2008, and the 2000 is due to be replaced in 2011. I am quite certain we will not buy another Explorer. I just could not stand being in a situation like you and many others are in, with your relatively new vehicles. I drive high mileage vehicles with a high expection of reliable preformance. That is why it is so important to do research, and find out all the facts, BEFORE you buy your next car. You want your next purchase to be the RIGHT one. Both of my explorers are fine, both have V8's and good Rear Axles, and I expect them to give me good service. But I could not trust buying a used 2002 or newer Explorer. I don't know yet what I will get next time, but I will buy a vehicle that is foremost very reliable, and made by a company that cares about it's customers. Who knows, Honda, Toyota, Nissan?
#4076 of 6385 Re: bioman, great explanation! [electricdesign]
Jul 19, 2005 (9:18 pm)
Do what you want to, for sure. But be aware that not everyone is unhappy with their Explorers. I had a 2002, and now have a 2004, and I'm still very happy, and think they're the best design of them all. I had no issues with the 2002. My 04 has 15,000 miles, and experienced the bad trans fluid issue, but the dealer happily rebuilt for me, and it's fine.
You're gonna have more complaints per topic, since they sell the most of these. Your 4-runner may be more reliable over all, but it's a real truck to drive. The Pilot, OTOH, is a minivan underneath, dependable, but not too tough. I wouldn't buy a Nissan right now, too many Peugeot parts in them. I still feel the Explorer is the best value and design for me. Some of us are happy.
#4077 of 6385 AC Blow hot air when driving above 30 to 40 Mph
Jul 20, 2005 (5:59 am)
have a 95 Ford Explorer Limited with climate control installed. AC works fine when I am driving in low speed but as soon I get on highway and increase speed anywhere to 35 Mph suddenly it tarts blowing hot air and instead of air coming from front vent panels switches to defrosters and if I stop car and reduce speed it again starts blowing COLD air and I tried running AC while truc is stopped and I never had this problem. Any Idea what could be wrong with the AC?
#4078 of 6385 Re: 2002 Ford Explorer Read End Noise [fcuca]
Jul 20, 2005 (6:58 am)
I am having the exact same problems you are having with my 2002 Explorer.
Warrenty does not want to cover it nor does Ford.
I am trying to find out how to talk to a Ford Rep.
I will let you know what I find out! And can you do the same.
#4079 of 6385 Re: bioman, great explanation! [nvbanker]
Jul 20, 2005 (8:21 am)
"I still feel the Explorer is the best value and design for me."
I agree, the Explorer is a good value. The quality and cost cutting is another issue. How in the He** does the wrong transmission fluid end up being put in at the factory? How does a bad solenoid get designed? How does a faulty rear-end happen? Why does it take two and three trips to the dealer (for most of us) to get something fixed? Why are dealers hesitant to just order the part in the first place and fix it?
I currently have my '05 Taurus (company provided car) in for repairs at the dealer. The front end at 25,000 miles was making noise. Guess what? The vehicle needs a front axle/hub assembly. C'mon!! This car has 25,000 miles on it. They have been making this car for years and years!! No wonder people are buying Camrys!! Give me a break!!
#4080 of 6385 Transmission seal bad??
Jul 20, 2005 (10:27 am)
I have a 1996 Explorer and the transmission fluid is increasing, i have not had a chance to check the transfer case. I had read somewhere about the seal between the transfer case and transmission causing this. Any input from anybody? Aslo, if this is a seal problem is it hard to replace?
#4081 of 6385 Re: ABS and Transmission problems [mbistoocool]
Jul 20, 2005 (10:38 am)
I have a 2002 Explorer with about 75,000 miles and have had similar problems. The ABS lamp came on at several times, perhaps starting around 25,000 miles- I didn't check my records. The first time it took a couple of trips to the dealership, leaving over night, etc. and they didn't know what was wrong.
I believe the first time they even replaced the whole computer unit. Then later they would replace the sensors, I believe. I asked what the charge was going to be when it was off warrantee since it was an inherit problem with the car. "Oh, no- it's just routine wear and tear" and I would have to pay for it. Maybe about a year ago, I was on some web site and a fellow expressed the same problem and I believe he did what I did finally- Ignored it. I've had the light on the last 20,000 miles or so. I'm an old fart anyway and if I got into an accident I would probably instinctively pump the brakes anyhow- not what you're supose to do with ABS.
I had a "thump" several times with the transmission also where it seemed to slip into gear. Finally at about 61,000 miles, I took it in to my personal mechanic and asked him to change the transmission oil. He also repaired a small leak in the differential seal. The transmission slipped just as bad as before and I brought it back to the mechanic an had him check the level again. He did and said it was a quart short although they had even taken it for a test drive and checked the level after the initial change.
I believe sometimes some of these transmissions may form an air pocket or something and may not be filled properly. I know that some ways garages use to change the trans oil doesn't completely change it all. The Explorer has been fine since.