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Ford Excursion, Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Yukon XL, SUV
#349 of 423 Ford is going to look stupid after the Ex is killed.
Oct 09, 2002 (10:41 am)
With the new 6.0L 325HP 560 Ft Lb Tq PSD and HD 5 speed auto trans the 2003/2004 Excursion will be in demand . The Expedition with 5.4 V8 is not in the same class as a PSD Excursion . The PSD Excursion is the first SUV with standard 20,000 Lb GCWR .
Even if Ford comes out with an extended Expedition with a V6 diesel it will not compare with the Excursion in tow rating.
#350 of 423 It's all marketing - or failure of the marketing...
Oct 13, 2002 (6:30 am)
Ford has let the "green" people kill the Excursion... With real world facts and experiences I could market the Ex better than Ford.
I cannot speak to the gas versions, but the diesel version has better all around mileage than my 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee did!!! The Jeep got consistently 13 and 18 mpg over the 125k miles I drove it... Thus far the Ex has gotten anywhere from 15 to 21 mpg for the 4k I've driven it...
And my wife's '02 Lincoln LS V8 gets poorer mileage than the Ex - the few times WHEN I am allowed to drive it! (Of course it is a FUN care to drive - a stealth sports car!!!)
I KNOW what my true fuel mileage is with our bone stock '02 Ex with the PSD and there are many documented cases of potential for much greater improvement with some simple modifications...
The PSD reacts well to air intake and exhaust modifications with 20 to 50 HP increases and better mileage from the increased effeciency...
More air intake = better burn rates of the fuel..
Proper exhaust tuning = better flow thru the engine... (You can't accept more input without better output!)
It reacts even better to re programming of the ECU by the Superchips Microtuner and/or the Hypertech Power Programmer with better transmission shift management and on-the-fly engine management. Many report upwards of 5 MPG increases with just the tuners...
The claims of the tuners to give you increases of 80 HP are correct, with dyno verification of some owners. That's a 33% increase !!!
I don't care to defend my purchase ---
because it is MY purchase and it is the right purchase for MY situation...
But it amazes me to see the "I've never had experience with that, but I know what I'm talking about" argument...
I know there are MANY more important battles we could spend our time on...
But, after all, isn't that why we fight so hard to defend our "turf", because it is our "turf", not "their's" ???
If you got 'em, hug 'em - EVERY DAY - your children need that!
#351 of 423 ford vs chevy
Dec 17, 2002 (9:48 pm)
I believe most people have set in their minds that they are either a ford person or chevy. We have a 2000 limited psd to tow our 66 corvette with. I think its a fantastic truck. Its quiet, sound, no rattles or shakes, and great power and mileage. We put in after market items like the 4inch exhaust and a programer (60 extra hp) and filter, and this thing really goes. I would have liked to have a color matching chevy with my trailer and vette, but in my mind the chevys are not in the same ballpark. Every older sub ive been in, rattles, and just seams to wear out a little faster than the fords we have been in. Its all personal opinions, and experiences. Also, my wife looks real good getting out of that limited psd, and the 21mpg on the highway (not towing) looks real good too!
#352 of 423 Arrogance ? Ignorance ?
Jan 06, 2003 (11:48 am)
Ask yourself why you are buying a monster SUV. Do you REALLY need such a large car ? If so, you may be better off with a cargo van, a minivan, a large wagon, or just renting a truck when the occassion arises. Do you NEED to tow stuff all the time ? You may be better off with a diesel-powered truck, then. They're quite a bit cheaper and have quite a bit more torque when a comprably-equipped gasoline-powered truck or SUV.
However, if you are getting a monster SUV to "keep up with the Jones" or boost your self-image, let me ask you this ? How does it feel to throw $40,000+ down the toilet, while at the same time offending everybody else on the road, harming the environment, and supporting terrorism ? 3 for 1 !!
#353 of 423 re: arrogance/ignorance
Jan 06, 2003 (12:53 pm)
...supporting terrorism ?
I think that's a bit over the top. If you buy clothing, food or diamonds from abroad one could conclude, using the same "logic," that you support the exploitation of children, slave labor and despotic governments.
#354 of 423 re re arrogance/ignorance
Jan 08, 2003 (6:10 pm)
Hey at lest the Excursion has a purpose. You can tow tons and cart around at lest 8 people. What about the GM Hummer it gets as bad of gas mileage, you can only carry 5 adults and I'm sure it would be a crappy tow vehical because of the short wheel base. I don't understand why all those tree huggers aren't crying about that $55k plus gas guzzler like when the Excursion came out. The Hummer would use twice as much gas to take 8 adults on a 500 mile trip because you would have to use 2 Hummers compared to 1 Ecursion and they would have a more comfortable ride in the Excursion.
#355 of 423 Ford Excursion vs. Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL
Jan 20, 2003 (2:42 pm)
My girlfriend and I did not need any of these when looking both on-line and at dealers for an SUV. We do not plan to do any heavy hauling or towing. But I did check and compare both.
I checked the engines, features, transmissions and towing capacities. I found the fuel-injected 6.8L V10 for the Excursion has less horsepower than the 6.0L V8 Power Stroke Turbo Diesel. So, I compared it with that engine with the .75-ton Suburban and Envoy XL, both of those with 4WD.
The Excursion has 5 more horsepower than the Suburban or Envoy XL. But GM's are also available with a more powerful optional 8.0L V8. The Excursion has a shiftable 5-speed automatic transmission. The Suburban and Envoy XL have a 4-speed automatic. The Excursion's maximum towing capacity with that engine is 11,000 pounds. The .75-ton Suburbans and Envoy XL's is 12,000. It is 1,000 more, which is handy if needed. And the 2 GM's are estimated to get better fuel economy than the Excursion. There is more.
I am sure I am not the only one who still has cassettes as well as CD's. Cassette is standard in the 2 GM's. It is optional in the Excursion.
If I was to go with a bigger SUV, I would choose one of the 2 GM's over the Excursion. But I had to state the facts about all 3 SUV's.
#356 of 423 RE: Ford Excursion vs. Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL
Jan 21, 2003 (4:32 pm)
Ok. Now here is the response from an Excursion owner with the 7.3L DIESEL not the 6.0L DIESEL. What you need to remember when comparing these trucks is that the V10 is not really the best engine for towing in the Excursion. With that in mind, I can gurantee you that the 6.0L diesel will get significantly better gas mileage then the 8.0L Gas V8 in the GM's. I only know this because I own a 7.3L Diesel and it gets better mileage then my friends 8.0L Gas V8. On top of that, the Excursion has more torque then 8L Gas V8, which means more pickup on the low-end when accelerating, better mileage then a gas engine while towing, and a much smoother ride while towing. Please Keep in mind, the Envoy XL is a completely different vehicle, with a different weight, differrent engine options, and totally different target area so you cannot really include that in a comparison with 2 .75 ton trucks.
Just thought I would give the facts.
Jul 21, 2003 (7:43 am)
cptmcf and gagrice: I was reading your reaction to the SUV bashing, and I have to say that I am in complete agreement. I saw some pictures this weekend of a pileup on I-75 in Dayton. One of the pictures showed a Toyota Corolla that rear-ended a tractor-trailer, and which was itself rear-ended by another tractor-trailer. It was unrecognizable and pushed completely under the trailer in front of it. A Jeep behind the second tractor-trailer suffered an identical fate. No one in the Corolla or the Jeep survived. We are having our fourth child and we struggled between an '04 Sienna minivan and an '03 Suburban. While I know the Sienna is a relatively very safe vehicle, the one thing about crash tests is that they don't take into account what the tested car is hitting or what is hitting it. If I'm going to be the meat in a tractor-trailer sandwich, I want to be in a Suburban (or Excursion) sitting high, with a stiff frame, several feet of hood and engine in front of me, and several feet of cargo space behind the 3rd seat in which my children are sitting. Plus, the new Suburban has "smart" front airbags and available side airbags. Do I wish it had more airbags (e.g., side curtain)? Yes, but at the end of the day give me more steel between me and the other vehicles on the road over more airbags. Do I "need" a big SUV? You never know... Feel free to tax gas and use the proceeds to clean the air and develop more fuel-efficient technologies. I'm willing to pay for size and safety... and I certainly won't feel bad about making the choice between guzzling 200 more gallons of gas over the course of a year in return for the best safety I can get for my wife and 4 children.
All this being said, our other car is a Volvo wagon, which is just about as good in most situations when you only have to transport 3 or 4 people.