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Ford Excursion, Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Yukon XL, SUV
#30 of 423 Chevy and reliability
Feb 04, 2000 (3:39 am)
I'm currently a very unhappy owner of a
'97 suburban 1500. With 50K miles, I have
been through multiple wheel bearing replacements, broken power steering pump shafts, and alternator.
The rear end has had two seals fail and the fan blower motor has been replaced twice. When the
fan control knob broke on the rear control panel I found that I couldn't replace the $2.00 knob, I had to replace the whole $90 switch assembly!
A poor design, poor product quality, and poor customer service. When it's not in the shop, it does tow nice, however.
I will never buy another Chevrolet product. Period. I have not looked at the 2000 suburban. While they may have changed a few style elements the fundamental flaws remain.
I will be test driving the Excursion next week. Thanks to all for providing their input on their comparisons.
To those that plan to go with the Suburban I have
one piece of advice: Get the extended warranty
#31 of 423 Diesel Option
Feb 04, 2000 (2:54 pm)
There are a lot of pro and cons when comparing
Suburbans to Excursions I have owned both but there is no comparison if you are looking at a diesel.
DON'T BUY A SUBURBAN WITH A DIESEL ENGINE.
Before you consider buying a Suburban with a diesel take a few minutes and do a web search on the tech bulletins on Suburban diesels and be prepared for a lot of them. Not only read them take a look at the corrective actions or lack of them. Most importantly while most describe problems note that instead of correcting problems in model years the tech bulletins have been re-issued over a number of years. As a example look at tech bulletin 77-63-06 about "No Start, Stall" it goes back to 1994 models and is still current today. Also ask your local mechanic about GM diesels odds are given a choice he will rank GM diesels 3rd behind Ford and Cummings. Lastly if that is not enough proof ask your local GM dealer why GM is in negotiations with Izusu to supply diesel engines on upcoming SUV and trucks.
#32 of 423 there is no 'G' in Cummins
Feb 04, 2000 (3:06 pm)
I really hate it when people think they know something about nothing, and can't get the names correct......it is CUMMINS......and the ISB - 24 valve diesel is absolutely the best ever......the old GM product was lousy, and lets hope the new Isuzu joint venture gets them back on the map....diesels are going to be a big part of future products, in order to clean up the environment (green house gasses) and increase fuel economy.....not just in trucks and SUVs, but in passenger cars too.
Detroit Diesel has a joint venture with Hyundai, and you'll see more Saabs, Volvos, Daimlers, and others bring their European models to the US....thank goodness !......a diesel is a wonderful thing........
just as long as GM doesn't do the same stupid move as in the 90's by bringing out a Gas engine with a heavier crank and try to pass it off as a diesel engine....put the whole industry back by 25 years........
#33 of 423 Diesel reply
Feb 04, 2000 (3:19 pm)
Sorry about the spelling error. Don't get me wrong I own an Excursion with a diesel, love it, won't have it any other way, diesel is a great choice just not GM. Would probably still have my 96 Diesel Suburban if any one could keep it running. But with only 60K miles, on my third fuel pump and the car in the shop right now getting its second transmission, and four engine upgrade additions/options I give up. If after putting two or three 100k miles on my Excursion I may look at Suburbans agian if they can get a diesel that runs.
Feb 04, 2000 (3:30 pm)
How is the harmonic vibration being easily fixed? And by the way you can't put a 5th wheel on the excursion.
#35 of 423 Oops... Fruedian slip?
Feb 04, 2000 (7:37 pm)
Believe it or not, even though I was writing about the Excursion, and trying to think of big things to haul, I had F250 Super Duty slip into my thought pattern. I honestly didn't mean to make it sound EXACTLY like a truck.
Regarding the fix, the '2000 Suburban' topic #1012 and Tahoe/Yukon I topic (archived) have details on the fix.
#36 of 423 RE #28 Joelis
Feb 04, 2000 (7:37 pm)
Trying to get my facts straight. What "tweak" in rear suspension?
If its no big deal why haven't we heard of one actually being fixed yet?
#37 of 423 Excursion Towing
Feb 04, 2000 (7:59 pm)
I was thinking of trading my 2000 chevy vibrater for the excursion. But after reading some of the towing issues at www.ford-diesel.com ( forums -powerstroke excursion) I think I'll wait until 2001.
#38 of 423 Re: Tweak
Feb 04, 2000 (8:07 pm)
I think it involves actually replacing bushings on the frame with a different dampness, not directly in the suspension. Sorry, too much Nascar on my mind waiting for Daytona...
They might not have those new bushings availble yet.
#39 of 423 Excursion w/ diesel
Feb 15, 2000 (6:42 pm)
I was told that the Ford diesel being used was a 7.3L International and that it is a "proven" engine? So far at only 5137 miles it seems to be a "workhorse" of an engine in my Limited. A bit "clickity-clackaty" around town (turn up the radio a notch) but great on the highway. Record mileage on every tank and fill it the same every time myself, the best has been 17.7. That was a trip from Central Mass to Scranton, PA in cold/snowy/slippery conditions. If kept under 2000 RPM (under 65 MPH) you definitely can see a mileage improvement...ie if the trip computer is anywhere near correct. I don't "race" mine as some seem to do so I find the power at low and high end very good. Travel safe.