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Ford Excursion, Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Yukon XL, SUV
#258 of 423 PSD vs Duramax
Jan 17, 2001 (9:50 pm)
The new GM diesel, the Duramax, is -- according to what I've read on the web -- not going to be available in the Burb until the 2003 model year
When it is available, I've read, it is not going to be mated to the Allison transmission. (IMHO I believe that GM is really missing the boat here by not making the Allison available with the Duramax.) Also, apparently GM is going to "de-tune" the Duramax so that it will not tear up the tranny currently in the Burb. So, you will be able to get a diesel but not the diesel/tranny configuration currently available in the HDs.
Hopefully the Duramax will become the same class engine that Ford's PSD is today. Only time will tell.
As for the PSD...here is some information that I've pulled off the www.ford-diesel.com site regarding statements made during a presentation by Lew Echlin, Ford's Marketing Manager for Super Duty and Excursion products:
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"Recently I had the opportunity to give a presentation to over 3000 of our Ford Dealers during an intensive set of Dealer meetings meant to prepare them for the coming year. I was talking about only the toughest trucks - the over 8500 lbs GVW type, like our beloved F-250s though F-550s. Now, while I went on and on about the technical dominance of F-Series Super Duty trucks over their Dodge and new Chevy and GMC competitors, I stopped dead in the middle of the speech and asked 'How can we talk F-Series Super Duty without talking about Powerstroke?' the engine that made Super Duty what it is today. As if on cue, many Dealers knowingly shook their heads, because they know that we CAN'T talk about F-Series Super Duty trucks without talking about Powerstroke diesel.
So I devoted the rest of my speech to the new facts on the Powerstroke engine for 2001 and how it stacked up to the new Isuzu/GM Duramax engine, and I thought I share these facts with you.
There are three things that Powerstoke has at its very foundation of toughness:
1) Powerstroke is Proven in the market among customers like you
2) Powerstroke doesn't just look good on paper, it has 'street credibility' as the work engine and
3) Powerstroke is NOT a high maintenance, temperamental engine, it's designed for easy and low maintenance. In my effort to keep you empowered with key facts about F-Series Super Duty and Excursion, let's give you some key 'did ya knows'.
Ford Powerstroke is Proven in the Market. Did you Know:
- Powerstroke is the best selling engine in its class, Diesel OR gas
- Powerstroke outsells all diesel competitors, combined
- Powerstroke has been proven in over 1 million Built Ford Tough trucks
- Statistics show that even at 250,000 miles in service, 90% of Powerstroke engines have no repairs requiring head, pan or front cover removal.
Powerstroke is the Work Engine. Did you Know:
- The turbo charged Power Stroke turbo diesel provides peak power sooner, reaching peak torque power at 1600 RPM vs. 1800 RPM for Duramax.
- Power Stroke has an industry leading low-pressure common rail fuel system that is electronically controlled and hydraulically activated (HEUI), technology borrowed from medium truck applications.
- Power Stroke offers a proven tough solid 'V' block design with uniform cast iron block and cast iron heads, while Isuzu/GM Duramax has cast iron block with aluminum heads.
- Powerstroke now offers 520 ft./lbs. of Built Ford Tough torque in manual applications (and 505 in automatics)
Powerstroke is Designed for Low Maintenance. Did you Know:
-The lubrication system on the Powerstroke employs reusable gaskets.
- Powerstoke has an easy-to-access, spin off fuel filter and a visible air filter cleaner reminder.
- Powerstroke is so tough it has been certified for underground mining applications (and applied in countless other industries) and can even run on 'low lubricity' Diesel fuel like aviation fuel.
And to back this all up, Power Stroke comes with a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty standard in every F250-550 and Ford Excursion."
<- end quote Ford has some very impressive things to say about the PSD and GM is bringing a new engine to this party. The PSD has the lead but the Duramax has potential. As I stated earlier, only time will tell.
#259 of 423 Adjustable Pedals
Jan 22, 2001 (2:25 am)
Any news on when the Excursion is getting the adjustable pedals option?
It was suppose to be a 2000 model option.
#261 of 423 Keep It Coming!!!!!!
Mar 11, 2001 (8:33 pm)
Well, I started this discussion over a year ago to promote talk about the upcoming war between the two titans of the SUV realm. Little did I know that my discussion would turn out so large. One year later, we have 4 titanic SUVs on the market, even more reason to keep the talk(or war) going, so keep sharing your thought and opinions and maybe a Ford SUV loyalist and a GM SUV loyalist will come to their senses and just get a truck or a minivan ... or not.
#262 of 423 Thoughts for #72 Whistelnuts
Mar 12, 2001 (4:03 am)
I also used Dodge Vans for towing my 26 and then 32 foot TT. They were great tow vehicles asp. the 94 with the Magnum 318. Then I purchased the X. V-10, 430 rear. My opinion is "NO Comparison"! The Excursion tows with much greater stability and ease. I have 45K plus on the beast. I have towed from Quebec to the Florida Keys. No problems with stability, rear end sag, cross wind sway etc. This truck can tow. Also I have not installed a rear end sway bar. Which I have installed on the vans. The X just don't seem to need it.
#263 of 423 Get a real tow vehicle
Mar 12, 2001 (12:14 pm)
Irc1: The real "king" of tow vehicles is the 2001 3/4 ton Suburban or Yukon XL with the 8.1L engine and 4.10 rear. 30 more hp than a V-10 Excursion (GM 340hp vs Ford 310hp), 30 more ft lbs of torque (GM 455 ft lbs vs Ford 425 ft lbs), better gas mileage and 2000lbs more tow capacity (GM 12,000 lbs vs Ford 10,000lbs).
GM has no match for heavy load towing when compared with any other non-commercial/non-military vehicle with 4 wheels.
#264 of 423 Where are Suburbans made? by ecs4tru
Mar 13, 2001 (8:48 pm)
I understand that Suburbans come from either Wisconsin or Mexico...I ordered a vehicle stipulating manufacture in Wisconsin, but the dealer called today to tell me the vehicle which is expected next week was made in Mexico. I'd appreciate any comments helpful to this situation. Please advise as to Mexico plant quality and buyer experience. How does this fit with, "made in the heartland of America?" Thanks.
#265 of 423 subscrusion and others Sub to Exc
Mar 16, 2001 (10:11 am)
The interior of the Sub has been shrinking for years, owned a '71 (CarryAll actually), an '82 6.2L and '90 454. Started out hauling horses and now mostly put in sled dogs, don't ask. But when looking at new Sub's I couldn't fit in 4 airline kennels side by side from back of front seat to tail gate in new Sub. In the Excursion, it works, still with a tight side alley fit but no fit in the Sub. So now I drive weekends in the 4x2 Limited V-10 and love it, but it is not an everyday car. Trip computer says getting 11.5mpg but last two tanks checking fill up say 12 plus a fraction doing simple math.
Not sure where the problems with GMC/Chevy came up on engine tranny problems but did one Trans in the 6.2L and the engine in the 454 both under warranty.
Remember, SUV as a term has only been around, less than ten years? These are just oversized wagons when you get out of the ego thing.
#266 of 423 Mileage with a Diesel Excursion
Mar 17, 2001 (3:36 pm)
Can anyone provide MPG values for the Excursion Diesel?
#267 of 423 Diesel Excursion
Mar 21, 2001 (8:05 am)
I have an excursion, and I have to say it is wonderful. Driving it, parking it, no big deal. I am a mother of four and had a suburban before my excursion. No contest. Excursion has won me over. It does fit in my garage. I have a super large garage. My husbands 4 door diesel 4wd ford truck also fits with plenty of room to spare. However, there are some drive through windows I cannot fit in. Parking garages are another task. A recent trip to New Or leans cost us a little extra to park. Acceleration is another matter. But living in Louisiana it's not a big deal. Fuel mileage has improve with the help of special chip. I love the rear detection.