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Ford Excursion, Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Yukon XL, SUV
#124 of 423 burb/xl 2500 and excursion
May 13, 2000 (9:44 am)
protravel, the 2500 burb/xl a closer comparison truck to the excursion that the 1500s. It still has the leaf springs to give some of the "harsh truck feel" you crave. One of the things that I didn’t like about the excursions I have driven was that the front end tended to have difficulty tracking on a washboard road surface. It would get out of sync with the little bumps, become floating and make turning a little interesting. This behavior is systematic of previous generations of trucks. BTW, when I had a 91 burb it would do the same on the front AND rear. Many of the things that give the truck feel are really undesirable characteristics that reduce performance and ground contact. These characteristics are the very targets that the designers focus on in making improvements and will no doubt be heralded as breakthroughs when they occur.
MY whole point is that “truck feel” has and will continue to be designed out of trucks because “truck feel” is the opposite of performance.
For example: The F150 line was ahead of the GM offerings up until the recent redesign now the 1500 burb/silverado/yukon/xl is one generation ahead of the F150 in this respect. The super duty line of trucks from Ford is in a class by itself as it is not a variant of the F150 line. The GM Truck 2500's are variants of the 1500's. My 2000 4x4 suburban with autoride stays put better than the current generations (as they are several years old now) of the super duty trucks (and F150’s) but I would suspect that the truckieness would diminish in the next generation of Fords as well.
If I want a soft ride, I drive my wife's expedition 4x2.
#125 of 423 EX Vs BURB
May 13, 2000 (11:04 am)
Not that it amounts to a hill of beans, but i'll throw my 2 cents in any way. It's all comes down to personal preference on what you like. I know many chev owners who would not touch a ford, no matter how much better the product is...and vice versa with ford owners. I have to agree with Protravel about the chev dealers. I also started out looking at the sub's. I went to 5 in my area. not only was every one of them rude, but when I tried to explain my purpose of why I needed a 2500, and not a 1500 they blew me off with the statement "nobody drives the 2500" (Those are the exact words of 3 idiots from 3 different dealers). For you chev dealers looking at this, you need to talk to your people about the PR thing.....it still goes a long way in my book.
The ford dealers bent over backwards working with me...even after I got the price way under what they were asking. I have to say that I was very impressed with them. I do a lot of towing and needed a heavy duty tow vehicle that can also hold a herd of kids. But as I said at the start....it doesn't amount to a hill of beans and I know that a lot of people will have just as many bad experiences with ford.......YOU JUST GOTTA LOVE THOSE DEALERS.
May 13, 2000 (5:37 pm)
Thanks sdjaam, I thought the Chevy dealers only hated me.
retract if you really, really want a smooth ride on your Expedition, get a set of Eddlebrock shocks. I did for my 97 and you will NOT believe the difference in the ride. Some guys have installed the shocks the same day they brought home the Expedition. I called Eddlebrock and they will have a set for the Excursions in two months.
I agree about the tracking on washboards, but I knew I would eliminate that with the Eddlebrocks.
#127 of 423 1993 7.4 L 2500 Sub or 2000 V10 EX
May 17, 2000 (3:07 am)
I have a 1999 1500 Sub and it is way underpower to tow my heavy enclosed trailer. I'm shopping for a V10 2000 EX because of the torque and horsepower. I ran into an ads local newspaper of a 1993 Sub 2500 for sale. Does anyone know the engine specs for the 1993 2500 Sub, torque, HP and towing capacity?. I know it is a 7.4L but can't seem to find the specs for it. I looked at the 2000 sub 2500 but it looks like the EX V10 puts out more torque & HPs. Should I buy the EX ($40K+ financing) or buy the used sub ($16K pay in full)and deal with the used car problems later. One thing about Chevy dealer, I think they do have an attitude problem. My 99 sub was only 8 months and had a bad leaking of brake reservoir. I had routine services done by these people and they claimed that I overfill brake fluid (not by me!). I took the sub back twice, still have leaking from the cap. I got tired of it and tie the cap down with 2 plastic ties. The brake fluid made a mess & peels all the paint underneath the reservoir and engine compartment. I always like Chevy but I thought to give Ford a try.
May 17, 2000 (3:52 am)
The only thing about going used, is that u don't know what the previous owner did with the veh, or how well they took care of it. You can end up paying a lot of money for stuff that might other wise be under a warranty. If you look around you will be able to find an EX way under 40k, and then haggle em down from there. I have about 3000 mi on my EX (1300 of which is towing a very large TT) and have not had any of the probs that u hear others talking about (thumps, bumps, sway etc). As a matter of fact, I'm very pleased with it's performance...and it's bone stock. But as with everything, the lemons are out there reguardless of what u get.
#131 of 423 Bought my first Suburban
May 20, 2000 (4:39 am)
I seem to be the exception in how Chevy dealers treated someone ready to buy a Burb. We needed a much bigger vehicle (for 3 kids an lots of stuff) and waited around to the 2000 burb to come out. I called a local dealer on the phone May 4th. He happened to have one on the lot that fit my wants/needs, sold it to me for $600 over invoice and delivered it to my home the next day (I never actualy went to the dealership). I just assumed that higher gas prices and higher inventory numbers on all SUVs were leading dealer to deal on all of these vehicles (burb, Exc and exps).
#132 of 423 Problems at GM
May 21, 2000 (9:07 pm)
I am the happy owner of a '99 Tahoe LT, fully loaded with an aftermarket sunroof. I am really Happy with this vehicle.The problem at GM, as I see it, is there quest to reduce costs and increase profits. Now there is nothing wrong with this concept so long as u can also maintain quality. For the 2000 model year the jury is still out we'll see.....
I also have owned Ford cars not the Trucks and I am a Ford fan as well. I was always happy with every Ford product I owned. I am going to buy a 2001 Excursion with the Powerstroke diesel. I am a little concerned about the diesel tho, smell, noise, getting diesel fuel at the diesel pump with all the spills. If this gets on the soles of your shoes and u track it into your Pride and Joy and it starts stinking from diesel fuel, not a very pleasant thought. Also, diesels do take more TLC than a gas engine overall.I have read about the cavitation issue and the need for an additive in the coolant that must be checked regularly for strength, etc.. I would love to hear comments on these points convincing me I have nothing to fear but fear itself
#133 of 423 Response to #136
May 22, 2000 (3:47 pm)
You may want to go over to the "Excursion Owners Forum" and read my post concerning my Excursion with the Power Stroke Diesel. I am Mr. Fussy when it comes to cleanliness and my vehicles. If you buy fuel at the "truck stops" it can sometimes get a bit messy. I carry a pair of glove under the seat for my hands and you just have to watch where you step. I have yet (in 12,000 miles) caught a wiff of diesel fuel or fumes from inside the vehicle and the scheduled maintenance is not a big thing. Good luck. Travel safe.