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You are in the Ford Excursion
What is this discussion about?
Ford Excursion, Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Yukon XL, SUV
#1 of 423 This is the ultimate slugfest.
Jan 21, 2000 (2:35 am)
No holds barred. It doesn't matter if you've got
facts or just opinions. Just say what you've got to
#2 of 423 neither, but Chevy if it is a must!
Jan 21, 2000 (6:19 am)
I think this monster SUV thing is a joke. I have no problem with people who need a "real" truck to get work done, but when it becomes a way to get to the mall, that's where I draw the line. The suburban has been around for quite some time now, granted it got a major face lift a few years back, but it wasn't a common site to see on the road. If you did, it probaly was towing something or had a full load of sporting gear inside. Point is, it was for function. Now, with this penis envy thing going on with SUV's, ford releases its excursion. What a waiste of space!
As you can notice, I am not a fan of Ford. That said, if I do see an excursion being "worked" you'll hear no complaints from me. However, I don't see that much anymore, both in Fords and Chevy's. My question is why? These are very large trucks! If you can give me an good excuse I will listen. How often do you plan to fill it up? You won't be passing up Jeeps, or anything else in the dirt. ( The damn thing will high center in a heart beat!) So it can't be for off-roading. Why!
Again, if you actually use it, I'm on your side, so don't get mad at me. ( I am a SUV owner) However, if it is your mall runner, I'd like to hear your reasons.
#3 of 423 mako28 Why?
Jan 25, 2000 (2:37 am)
Why, to pull a 34' TT plus hall 4 to 7 people.
Please tell me anything else that will do as good a job safely
#4 of 423 did you read what I said?
Jan 25, 2000 (3:55 am)
Maybe I misunderstood what your reply is about. Your answer, for hard work and / or not renting a bus, right. If you understand my little rant, I said that, " if you use it, I'm on your side.". In otherwords, I totaly agree with you. If you have a tractor to move around the large SUV is the only option, unless you want a huge pick-up. But we all know, for the most part, the two large SUV's are mostly a pick-up with a shell and seats. You are a user, more power to you, infact I hope you have one of those "really cool" ones!
My problem is with the mall runners and the sole users that never tow a thing. If it were a select few that used it for that pointless use, I wouldn't mind. ( Like the Hummer, I bet most aren't used anywhere near their potential, but they aren't seen all over the road. It's not a trend. It bugs me as an off-roader, but not enough to try and solve it.) However, the large SUV's are now a trend, and I want to know why. I'm not saying everyone is a fool. I am a believer in "to each his own", but I'd love to hear their reasons! as far as safety goes, they aren't legal tanks. The safety belief of these beasts are overdone. My Wrangler would cause sever damage to one.
#5 of 423 mako28
Jan 25, 2000 (6:22 pm)
You obviously do not have a family to look after. The "trend" as you call it consists of people with families who used to drive station wagons and minivans, are now seeing a more attractive alternative with the SUV's. I can't speak for the Excursion, because I think it has gone too far, but the Suburban is not that big of a vehicle for a regular family of 4 or more. That extra space comes in real handy if you have an outdoors type family, for camping, boating, skiing, etc. Its just nice to be able to keep everything inside, out of the elements. I really doubt there are very many which are just used to get groceries. What cave have you been living in?
The Suburban is NOT just a truck with a shell. You would really have to drive one for yourself to see what I mean. They are built on different frames, have different suspension, steering, linkage, the whole works.
Also, I have owned a Wrangler in my earlier years, and believe me, you would not want to meet one of these head on, on the road.
#6 of 423 Excursion is the winner
Jan 25, 2000 (7:22 pm)
I took delivery of my Limited 2x4 Excursion with the V-8 on December 30th. This vehicle has it all over the suburban ( owned two in the past 6 years). The comfort and room make a great travel vehicle. I am getting 15.5 mpg which is just a little worse than my suburbans were getting. I have not found a single flaw with Excursion and am looking forward to many trips to the lakes this summer.
#7 of 423 aint this fun!
Jan 25, 2000 (8:58 pm)
Okay, still, my point is being misunderstood. I am not here to talk anyone out of the SUV. Let it be known, I like Suburbans ( actually I like the tahoe more ) and wouldn't mind owning one someday. I also strongly agree with Ford going too far with its excursion. You seem to be the type who uses it. Like I said before, more power to you!
I have lived in three "caves". Phoenix and Las Vegas, big cave huh? The other is Tucson, which I would agree with calling it a cave Maybe in your parts, people use their trucks, but trust me, where I'm from people often use them for grocery runners. The use of these SUVs are primarly for status and / or the feeling of superiorness ( the same I guess ) in my areas. Visit Phoenix and you'll see. Again, trust me, they are being used just the same as a Accord in me home town, like it or not.
You are right, I don't have a family yet, but that is not to say I don't understand. I do. It is a great SUV for the family that "plays". A 4-runner probaly wouldn't do the trick for a camping trip with a family of 4 -5, unless you want to tow a trailer or stack the roof.
Is it possible you are trying to speak the part for the user I don't understand? Well it seems you and I see two different things. If you haven't seen the use of these SUV the way I have, how can you rationalize them? I'm sure they thank you, but you are a user of the SUV ( and a x-Jeep owner, which makes you great and very credible!). However, I don't think we'll find an answer. I to, playing the opposite role, would say the same things you have said.
Maybe I didn't complete my message fully on my Jeep vs. Suburban or EX. I know my jeep would be damaged. What I meant was that my Jeep would cause alot of damage. ( I have it lifted enough to where I look the driver of an excurrsion directly in the eyes, plus extra bumpers and so forth.) Why do I say this? Well besides tooting my own horn, I have had an excursion pull out in front of me, and a ton of other traffic, and you could just tell that they did it because they believed they were in a bus and everyone would just have to slow down. After all, they were invincalbe, right. Point is, my Jeep, or any other truck with size, would have smashed their rear end terribly. And if a car hit it, who know?
Actually it is that experience that brings me to this point of thinking. My problem is with drivers like that. I'm sure you can understand.
#8 of 423 I use mine for groceries
Jan 25, 2000 (11:11 pm)
Mako28---I believe it is you who is being very closed minded about the folks who choose to have a Suburban or Excursion. I am a mom, wife, gardener, camper, etc., I use my '90 Suburban for groceries, taking my kids to the doctor, gymnastics, McDonalds, Grandma's, etc. It is our family car and if my husband is home with the kids, he is home with the family car. We choose to have a larger vehicle for our family because we feel it is safer to have more room between you and someone else on the road. As far as the Excursion purposely pulling out in front of you and on coming traffic-------there are sometimes circumstances beyond thinking you are in a bus to have that happen....did you think that maybe they might have had a baby crying in one car seat and a toddler in another car seat asking for something and the mother and/or father was simply distracted. My husband and I are currently shopping for a new family vehicle and we are strongly looking at the Excursion...not for prestige but for the size and safety of the vehicle. If I wanted prestige I would buy a mercedes not a 4 x 2 truck!!!!!! We are going tonight to view and test drive the Suburban to make sure we are making the right decision...not once have we considered anything smaller as we feel the larger SUV's offer the most protection for our children. As I am the one who spends the most time with our children I will be the primary driver and I will use it to go grocery shopping, cloths shopping, plant shopping or to the convenient store at the corner of our subdivision for a gallon of milk!! BTW - my husband drives the Jeep Cherokee Wagoneer 4x4.
#9 of 423 why does it seem like I am the bad guy?
Jan 26, 2000 (1:26 am)
I read all these post, doesn't take too long thankfully , and it seems to me like I'm the bad guy. I have made every effort I can not to be offensive or personal. Not to be rude, but how can you say "closed minded"? If I was closed minded wouldn't I be ranting that everone should not get one because I don't like them ( and I DO LIKE THEM), plus I am asking questions so I can understand it better. When I understand your reasons, we can better debate the subject, if need be. If that is closed minded, I give up! Tell me how I can not be then.
I understand that my view of the person cutting me off could have been a simple "woops!". Maybe you're right. However, me being there makes me think otherwise. I guess you had to be there. I give up on that one to.
I really don't care what you drive, as long as you like it. Honestly. I am playing a debate starting role though. I want to hear more reasons, not to change your mind, but to educate mine.
Now jumping on the other side of the fence, have you seen the new Suburban? If you have been a fan, you probaly will like the new one. Personally, I feel the chevy is a much better SUV. I have had nothing but problems with my companies fords! Plus my good friend is a HUGE car fan (trucks included) and I value his opinion. He also believes Fords tend to "die" pretty quickly. Plus the Exursion is so new to this game, I think Chevy just has more experience with the large SUV.
Okay, hopefully we're all friends again! Groceryrun, I don't understand it, but oh well. I pretty much give up on it. I ask questions, they hardly get answered, but I sure do get alot of replies about how wrong I am. And I don't recall calling anyone closed minded.
#10 of 423 Size is important w/active families
Jan 26, 2000 (5:13 am)
Sorry if I seemed so harsh on the "close minded" comment...just seems that most of the people who "bash" the large SUV drivers are those who don't have them.
We did test drive both the 2000 Suburban and the 2000 Excursion tonight and I honestly prefer the Excursion because of the interior layout. Very kid friendly and roomy inside. There were some safety features for the kids that I really appreciated, the child locks on the sides of the doors, the back seat belts being adjustable (the shoulder harness) for those growing years, the window locks, etc. These are all standard features on the limited AND are available with the Suburban for an extra fee. I personally am not crazy about the diesel engine but my husband refuses to consider anything else---so we compromise. As far as the price of the two....they are just a couple of hundred dollars apart.
Once having a family and being active outdoors, whether camping, bike riding or traveling a large automobile such as this is wonderful to own. It is much easier to go bigger than to go from big to small. Each year we travel from Texas to Florida to visit family and on the way home camp for 4 nights in Georgia. This means that we are not only bringing clothing for 10 days in Florida but camping gear too and our '90 Suburban is just the right size....the new Excursion is the closest thing to the old Suburban's interior size.
Being a gardener, I love the cargo space in the rear for packing in my finds.....as far as the engine thing, that is my husbands department and he does has some concerns about it just being too much vehicle. We are trying to do our research and get folks opinions. On the way home this evening we spoke to a neighbor w/5 children who recently purchased her Excursion---she loves it!!! Says it's the closest thing to her 1988 Suburban for size and wouldn't go with anything else. She can fit it into her garage fine (standard size)and says she has had no trouble with parking garages at the Galleria or Medical Center. She too expressed how much she liked the interior set up of the Excursion over the new Suburban.
So, I hope this helps you understand the reasons people like me who don't tow or work ranches prefer the larger vehicle...it is mainly for comfort.