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Hi Everyone, I have just successfully stopped the dreaded GV Timing Chain Rattle on my 2000 Grand Vitara and would like to thank Ray (bisray) for his post as it made my job a little easier. As I tried to find a manual with no luck (probably like everyone else out there) the tip about the Impossible to remove Harmonic Balancer Bolt was handy as I could see how you would think you might be turning it the wrong way. (Thanks Mate) I thought I would add my experience to the Frey in case it helps some other adventurer as they decide to fix the problem themselves. For a start forget about trying to source a manual if you have enough mechanical skills to attempt this job you won't need it anyway. I’ll just add a few things that I discovered or thought of whilst doing the job. TIP1. I could not undo the Harmonic Balancer bolt with even 380ft/lbs on the impact wrench. (Here is what I did.) 19mm socket on bent extension bar with 2ft extension pipe, hand brake on in Reverse Gear. Get a 10inch "G" clamp and a small piece of 2"x1/2" hardwood, Get a friend to turn the socket as far as he can then lock the clamp on to the harmonic balancer using the hardwood to protect the outside of the balancer from damage by the clamp. Allow the clamp handle to ease back onto the bottom chassis cross brace so you can get a second bite with the socket and that should be enough to crack it. (Good luck it took ages to figure this out) but it works. TIP2. Loosen Both Rocker Cover Bolts 2 at the front and 1 at the back (you can't get at the other back one) and gently slide the tip of a stumpy screwdriver between the rocker cover gasket and the head, you only have to flex the cover about 1mm or 1/10th of an inch to allow easy removal and much easier replacement of the timing case. This stops you causing damage to the rocker cover gaskets during reassembly. TIP3. I use aircraft gasket sealing cement on all Aluminium machined joints (Black thick Liquid) and have never had an oil leak after an engine assembly. Smear it on both sides to be joined with a bit extra where the head and block join and valley and block join also on the inner timing case stud towers. (Don’t forget the front of the sump cover) and by the way don't overlook undoing the 4 front sump bolts before trying to remove the timing cover. TIP4. Tie up your Timing Chains before you remove any Tensioner or guide bolts if they slip around the gears you're in for trouble unless you have a manual to show you the timing marks. I always get a paint pen and mark the chain at several points on the crank and the camshaft sprockets so if the worst happens and something slips you will be OK.Change the tensioners and guides that are worn 1 at a timothy while you have it apart change the lot labour is the expensive part anyway. TIP5. I had to change 3 guides and the LHS tensioner, the 3 guides were showing wear and it is generally recommended to change the LHS tensioner I don't know why Unless the new part has been modified (I couldn’t see any difference) I think maybe the oil relief hole in the tensioner needs to be bigger this might make it less jerky as the chain spins around (only a thought). LAST TIP I noticed that the small chain that drives the oil pump from the crankshaft was very sloppy and ticked when I moved it around, it has a manually adjustable tensioner which I adjusted (I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this) and I'm wondering if this was most of the noise. Oh yeah, the Dealer wanted to charge me $2800.00 to do the job. Parts were approx $200.00, what's going on in this world. I live in Australia. In response to some other posts I have read THE DEALER won't have to remove your engine and it is very unlikely that he would have to replace your Timing Chains. Shame on Suzuki for not fixing this problem with a Recall and I sure hope they have addressed the problem with the 2.7 litre engine as I was planning on an upgrade in a year or two but I will be finding out first. The main bragging rights for Timing Chain Engines is that you don't have to change a timing BELT every 70,000 KM. Let me tell you it is a snack to change a timing belt compared to Chains which are supposed to last for ages sometimes forever. Sorry this is a bit long winded but I hope it helps someone in need. Chris.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2006 5:24 pm) extended length i think so it is the grand vitara has rust bubbles here and there on underside- tried spraying with wd40 just to check it as undercoating would just cover problem wonder if there is an anode or some such to stop any progression we like the machine! yrs KJ |
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Hi - thanks for all the help here heres my contribution: phoney car alarm I am making under 5 bucks! get a in line 12v fuse 12v to 3v resister flashing red led at electronics store [ long leg is 12v[ cv] side switch connectors from hot 12v to resister to led to switch to ground silicon or? little led in small dash area where can be seen switch on w in dubious territory yrs KJ 
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Replying to: jeannebo (Sep 15, 2003 12:50 pm)
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Today I went to my garage to drive the kids to school got in the SUV andtried to start the car. First it seemed to start for a second then it shutdown,I tried to start it again then the starter was making a spinning noise so I turned it off and waited. Then I moved the shift from park to drive and back. I tried to start the SUV and the engine was cranking and almost wants to start. Does anyone have any ideas what is wrong before I call the tow truck? Please help. Thanks!
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Replying to: genos4x4 (Feb 16, 2006 2:36 pm) Steve, Host |
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Replying to: doc11 (Jan 03, 2006 9:47 pm) My oil pump chain was sloppy also. No that's not the noise Whan I took off my chain cover there was no Tensioner or guides left there all in little peases inside the motor! I mite have some brockn' velves two. but I'm not that far yet I'm waiting on the parts I orderd ($34 for 2 guides) I took some photos that I wish I can insert but I can't. I can e-mail them to you. my E-mail Is imoneofthree  hotmail.com
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Replying to: lrc2 (Feb 04, 2006 8:39 am) |
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I live in Bermuda and most of the cars are imported from Europe. I purchased a 2000 Suzuki Escudo which I have been advised is the same or similar to a 2000 Grand Vitara. I want to customize my car and it is very difficult to find kits  , etc here on the island. Can anyone direct me to a someone who can help me locate the accessories I that I want or someone who knows about the difference between an Escudo and the Grand Vitara  . They both look the same except the Escudo has the parking mirror on the hood . Thanks,
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