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Ford F-150, Ford F-250, Ford F-350, Ford F-100, Truck
#784 of 2180 Re: light howling sound when accelerating [epbrez]
Nov 16, 2004 (8:39 pm)
MY f-150 IS A SUPER CREW XLT WITH 5.4, AND 3:73 REAR AXLE.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS DO LOTS OF OTHERS.tHE SELLING DEALER ASKED ME TO GIVE FORD 3 MONTHS TO COME UP WITH A FIX AND THEY WOULD EITHER GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK OR ANOTHER VEHICLE.
OTHER PERSONS WITH THIS PROBLEM THAT I KNOW ABOUT ADVED THE FOLLOWING: ONE PERSON SAID THE DEFECTIVE VECHICLE PROCEDURE WORKED FOR HIM,AFTYER 10 MONTHS GOT HIS MONEY BACK FOR EVERYTHING INCLUDING A BED LINER AND OTHER ITEMS HE HAD INSTALLED,(COST HIM A LITTLE FOR THE MILEAGE 13,000 MILES) ANOTHER PARTY WAS SUCCESSFUL IN TRADING FOR A F-250 COST HIM ABOUT $2,500 BUT IT HAD MORE STUFF THAN THE 150. SEVERAL YEARS AGO I HAD THE SAME REAR END PROBLEM WITH A USED CAR (MERCURY)AND AFTER TWO SETS OF GEARS, I INSTALLED A USED REAR END AND NO MORE NOISE.
I OWNED A GARAGE IN THOSE DAYS AND WAS DETERMINED TO FIND WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. I FINALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THE REAR END HOUSING WAS IMPROPERLY BORED IN RELATION TO THE PINION AND RING GEAR SUPPORTS EVEN THO THE PATTERN ON THE GEARS LOOKED GOOD, UNDER LOADING THEY DISTORTED AND CAUSED A HOWL. IT TELESCOPED THE NOISE UP THE DRIVE SHAFT WHERE IT BECAME OFFENSIVE. I ALSO HAVE A VIBRATION ON THE THROTTLE PEDAL AT 30 TO 45 UNDER LOAD,A MOTOR SO NOISY IT SOUNDS LIKE A DIESEL AND A VERY ROUGH IDLE COMPARED TO MY 2001 5.4 CLUB CAB. (WISH I HAD IT BACK). I HAVE BEEN A FORD MAN ALL MY LIFE AND HAVE NEVER HAD A REASON TO COMPLAIN OTHER THAN TO THE DEALER. I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE HASN'T STARTED A CLASS ACTION SUIT.
#785 of 2180 Re: Not Convinced... [mac24]
Nov 16, 2004 (9:00 pm)
ALL I CAN SAY IS CAREFUL--I HAVE A 2004 F-150,WHITE XLT, 5.4, 3:73 GEARS, SUPERCREW--MOTOR IS ROUGH AND SOUNDS LIKE A DIESEL WHEN IDELING IN MY GARAGE OR A FAST FOOD LINE. THE REAR END HOWLS UNDER LOAD FROM 40 TO 70 MPH (FORD CANT FIX ANY OF THIS)
OTHER THAN THAT IT'S A GREAT TRUCK, GOOD RIDE, ACCELERATION,16 HIGHWAY MILES PER GALLON. I HAVE ALMOST 3000 MILES ON IT AND WILL MAKE YOU A HECK OF A DEAL IF YOU ARE STILL IN THE MARKET?
Nov 17, 2004 (11:30 am)
My '04 F150 w/ the v8 280 hsp gets 15 miles per gallon tops with mixed hwy and city driving (more hwy than city). I can't seem to go beyond 15 mpg even with HWY driving.
gas is now $2.30 gal in CA
#787 of 2180 Re: Not Convinced... [ronm1]
Nov 17, 2004 (12:26 pm)
Well, thanks for the offer, but the rear end noise and vibes are something I want to avoid.
It's interesting that a major thrust of the advertising for the '04 F150 centers on the smooth ride (outboard shocks), and the quiet cab ('Quiet Metal' dash).............. the very things that most complaints seem to focus on!
Incidentally, I think your diagnosis of the rear end problems is on the right track. It's either that or a distortion of the housing under load, or possibly a weird harmonics issue.
#788 of 2180 This 04 F-150 is NOISY
Nov 17, 2004 (12:27 pm)
Ford claims on their commercials that the cab on the new body style F-150 is quite and tight. I beg to differ.
This F-150 has had it's rear slider glass replaced and resealed. There is a squeak coming from the steering column. A rattle from the rear view mirror housing. A suspicious sound coming from the dash under the passenger side air bag that sounds like a nest of birds up in there.
Although no vehicle can be problem or squeak free, they shouldn't advertise something that is not totally accurate.
I should have bought the TITAN.
#789 of 2180 Re: This 04 F-150 is NOISY [f150doubter]
Nov 17, 2004 (12:35 pm)
Which goes to further confirm my views in the second paragraph of the post before yours.
However, I think you're being pretty optimistic to wish for truthful advertising!
#790 of 2180 F-150 Number One
Nov 17, 2004 (3:03 pm)
I tend to believe that there is a reason that the F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the world. It's not because every one of the owners loves vibrations, squeaks, rattles, and other assorted problems.
If you are looking for reasons NOT to buy the F-150, what better place to look than a F-150 Problems board? Where this place has a whole whopping 790 posts since it was started in Dec of 2000. This number including many solutions to problems, and help from other posters.
#791 of 2180 Re: F-150 Number One [jrc346]
Nov 17, 2004 (3:41 pm)
To an extent, I take your point. However, #1 in quantity doesn't necessarily equate to #1 in quality. In fact, it definitely doesn't in this case.
To be honest, I frequent this board in the hopes of hearing that Ford has found a fix for the recurring problems that are becoming evident on the new F150.
Not only are those problems being reported here, but also extensively elsewhere on the web. Further, five of the seven owners I know personally are experiencing either axle noise, vibes, dash creaks and rattles, or a combination thereof. There are two local dealers, neither of whom can provide a fix. Apparently Ford know of the problem and are working on a fix. The trouble is, this has been the answer for several months. Vehicles continue to be sold, the same problems continue to surface.
As you say, the number of posts (here) is small compared to the number of trucks sold. However, if these NVH posts were just a small part of the random problems that every manufacturer has, why aren't we seeing an equal number of complaints about mirrors, seats, electrics, transmissions, engines, etc., etc.
Ford used to be able to build trucks without these basic problems, so why shouldn't I feel put out that they can't manage it now? I want to be proud of the truck I buy. I want to buy a Ford. At the moment, unfortunately, I can't reconcile those two statements.
#792 of 2180 Re:Mac24
Nov 17, 2004 (6:30 pm)
I am not trying to pound Ford home just because (insert any reason here). I just don't feel like it is being justly represented. However, if you do know many people that are having problems then I can understand 100% the situation you are in.
On Quantity doesn't equal Quality, I do believe this to be true, however it is often the case that Quality does equal Quantity. In that a higher quantity is sold because it is passed on or perceived that the vehicle has higher quality. For instance, Toyota Camry is the best selling car in the U.S., mostly likely because it is of high quality and reliability. Same goes for the Honda Civic, Ford Escape, Ford Ranger, Ford Explorer and other best sellers of the auto industry segments.
Anyway, I was just offering that whole example (why F-150 is the best selling vehicle) as a reason why it (the F-150) might not be as bad as it seems. If you want another source of feedback on the F-150, go to the "New" car tab at the top of edmunds here and select "Ford" and then the F-150. There you can read hundreds of owners experiences. It seems for the most part that owners are very satisfied (9.2 score out of 10).
Just some thoughts, I wish you the best with your truck dilemma. I am sure sooner or later you will find the right ride:) As for Ford, maybe next time?
#793 of 2180 Re:Mac24 & Wijoco [jrc346]
Nov 17, 2004 (7:41 pm)
Technological changes and problems per vehicle are not the same. If anything, an increase in changes increases the probability of quality mistakes. The Astro and Econoline example doesn't wash (partly because you're wrong about the Astro being unchanged). Again, "quality" or "customer satisfaction" ratings are not the same as reliability/problems per vehicle.
"If Ford reliability stayed the same or decreased over the past 10 years overall, Fords market share would most likely be decreasing rapidly (it has increased since July I do believe (15.00% in July to 16.60% now)."
How, to prove your point, do you say "If...past 10 years, then...past 6 months"??? Huh?
Ford's market share HAS decreased over the past ten years!
The whole problem is that automotive technology is changing at a faster rate each year. The treadmill is not only spinning faster each year, it's increasing *at a faster rate*. The Japanese have perfected their processes to the point that they can keep up with the changes and still maintain their quality. Americans are improving their processes, but still can't keep up with the higher rate of change. They're running faster and still losing ground.