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#782 of 2180 Re:Mac24 & Wijoco by jrc346 Nov 16, 2004 (5:48 pm)
"That's the problem.............. I don't want to spend $30k+ for a truck that just about manages to pull itself up to 'average'!"   Understood:) I don't blame you, though if you are looking for a truck, the only option you have above average is the Tundra, next most reliable after that is the 2WD F-150. I wish there was some way I could post that stuff from CR here, but that isn't possible, at least I don't think. Anyway, maybe the new F-150 will reach the better than average marks that the previous generation 1997-2003 F-150's trucks did?   Wijoco: Respectfully, I don't think that I have the two confused. Over the past 10 and 20 years especially, all domestic automakers have become much more reliable (this being based on CR information). This can also be shown in JD Powers "initial" and "long-term" quality scores, though in an indirect way since reliability and quality are different in that a quality constructed car i.e. Audi line, can have poor reliability. If Ford reliability stayed the same or decreased over the past 10 years overall, Fords market share would most likely be decreasing rapidly (it has increased since July I do believe (15.00% in July to 16.60% now).   As for averages increasing since the early 1990's: What I mean is that as cars become more and more reliable (and they have) the average grows. So, say you bought a GMC Safari back in 1992, and when you purchased it, it had a reliability rating of average. Since GM has done very little to that van since then, with only tweaks to the engine, transmission and body. It now has much worse than average reliability, because it continued on with close to the same parts and quality to this date. Ford in contrast, has not done much to update its Econoline van since 1991 when the new body came out. However, it has received new engines and transmissions since then. It used to float between much worse than average reliability and worse than average, though despite the increased in averages over the past 13 years for that vehicle class, it now almost makes it to better than average reliability. Sorry these are the best examples I could think of. Anyway, this will either prove my point, or bring about more confusion, hehe. Replies to this message: wijoco (Nov 17, 2004 8:41 pm)
#783 of 2180 Re: Rear end shift on acceleration [robs] by houstonford04 Nov 16, 2004 (8:20 pm)
Replying to: robs (Oct 25, 2004 7:49 pm) hey robs i have had the truck stall on me in traffic before. im at the red light and it stallss and in the message display center it says LOW OIL pressure, but i know it has nothing to do with the oil. what the dealer say the problem is? also was the computer module the culprit of your truck stX2alling? please respond because i will be taking my truck to the dealer this week.   2004 f150 lariat 4X2 5.4 Replies to this message: robs (Nov 20, 2004 4:32 pm)
#784 of 2180 Re: light howling sound when accelerating [epbrez] by ronm1 Nov 16, 2004 (9:39 pm)
Replying to: epbrez (Sep 20, 2004 7:44 am) MY f-150 IS A SUPER CREW XLT WITH 5.4, AND 3:73 REAR AXLE. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS DO LOTS OF OTHERS.tHE SELLING DEALER ASKED ME TO GIVE FORD 3 MONTHS TO COME UP WITH A FIX AND THEY WOULD EITHER GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK OR ANOTHER VEHICLE. OTHER PERSONS WITH THIS PROBLEM THAT I KNOW ABOUT ADVED THE FOLLOWING: ONE PERSON SAID THE DEFECTIVE VECHICLE PROCEDURE WORKED FOR HIM,AFTYER 10 MONTHS GOT HIS MONEY BACK FOR EVERYTHING INCLUDING A BED LINER AND OTHER ITEMS HE HAD INSTALLED,(COST HIM A LITTLE FOR THE MILEAGE 13,000 MILES) ANOTHER PARTY WAS SUCCESSFUL IN TRADING FOR A F-250 COST HIM ABOUT $2,500 BUT IT HAD MORE STUFF THAN THE 150. SEVERAL YEARS AGO I HAD THE SAME REAR END PROBLEM WITH A USED CAR (MERCURY)AND AFTER TWO SETS OF GEARS, I INSTALLED A USED REAR END AND NO MORE NOISE. I OWNED A GARAGE IN THOSE DAYS AND WAS DETERMINED TO FIND WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. I FINALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THE REAR END HOUSING WAS IMPROPERLY BORED IN RELATION TO THE PINION AND RING GEAR SUPPORTS EVEN THO THE PATTERN ON THE GEARS LOOKED GOOD, UNDER LOADING THEY DISTORTED AND CAUSED A HOWL. IT TELESCOPED THE NOISE UP THE DRIVE SHAFT WHERE IT BECAME OFFENSIVE. I ALSO HAVE A VIBRATION ON THE THROTTLE PEDAL AT 30 TO 45 UNDER LOAD,A MOTOR SO NOISY IT SOUNDS LIKE A DIESEL AND A VERY ROUGH IDLE COMPARED TO MY 2001 5.4 CLUB CAB. (WISH I HAD IT BACK). I HAVE BEEN A FORD MAN ALL MY LIFE AND HAVE NEVER HAD A REASON TO COMPLAIN OTHER THAN TO THE DEALER. I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE HASN'T STARTED A CLASS ACTION SUIT.
#785 of 2180 Re: Not Convinced... [mac24] by ronm1 Nov 16, 2004 (10:00 pm)
Replying to: mac24 (Nov 16, 2004 9:33 am) ALL I CAN SAY IS CAREFUL--I HAVE A 2004 F-150,WHITE XLT, 5.4, 3:73 GEARS, SUPERCREW--MOTOR IS ROUGH AND SOUNDS LIKE A DIESEL WHEN IDELING IN MY GARAGE OR A FAST FOOD LINE. THE REAR END HOWLS UNDER LOAD FROM 40 TO 70 MPH (FORD CANT FIX ANY OF THIS) OTHER THAN THAT IT'S A GREAT TRUCK, GOOD RIDE, ACCELERATION,16 HIGHWAY MILES PER GALLON. I HAVE ALMOST 3000 MILES ON IT AND WILL MAKE YOU A HECK OF A DEAL IF YOU ARE STILL IN THE MARKET? Replies to this message: mac24 (Nov 17, 2004 1:26 pm)
#786 of 2180 GAS MILEGE by aspesisteve Nov 17, 2004 (12:30 pm)
My '04 F150 w/ the v8 280 hsp gets 15 miles per gallon tops with mixed hwy and city driving (more hwy than city). I can't seem to go beyond 15 mpg even with HWY driving.   gas is now $2.30 gal in CA   ugh
#787 of 2180 Re: Not Convinced... [ronm1] by mac24 Nov 17, 2004 (1:26 pm)
Replying to: ronm1 (Nov 16, 2004 10:00 pm) Well, thanks for the offer, but the rear end noise and vibes are something I want to avoid.   It's interesting that a major thrust of the advertising for the '04 F150 centers on the smooth ride (outboard shocks), and the quiet cab ('Quiet Metal' dash).............. the very things that most complaints seem to focus on!   Incidentally, I think your diagnosis of the rear end problems is on the right track. It's either that or a distortion of the housing under load, or possibly a weird harmonics issue.
#788 of 2180 This 04 F-150 is NOISY by f150doubter Nov 17, 2004 (1:27 pm)
Ford claims on their commercials that the cab on the new body style F-150 is quite and tight. I beg to differ.   This F-150 has had it's rear slider glass replaced and resealed. There is a squeak coming from the steering column. A rattle from the rear view mirror housing. A suspicious sound coming from the dash under the passenger side air bag that sounds like a nest of birds up in there.   Although no vehicle can be problem or squeak free, they shouldn't advertise something that is not totally accurate.   I should have bought the TITAN. Replies to this message: mac24 (Nov 17, 2004 1:35 pm)
#789 of 2180 Re: This 04 F-150 is NOISY [f150doubter] by mac24 Nov 17, 2004 (1:35 pm)
Replying to: f150doubter (Nov 17, 2004 1:27 pm) Which goes to further confirm my views in the second paragraph of the post before yours.   However, I think you're being pretty optimistic to wish for truthful advertising!
#790 of 2180 F-150 Number One by jrc346 Nov 17, 2004 (4:03 pm)
I tend to believe that there is a reason that the F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the world. It's not because every one of the owners loves vibrations, squeaks, rattles, and other assorted problems.   Mac24: If you are looking for reasons NOT to buy the F-150, what better place to look than a F-150 Problems board? Where this place has a whole whopping 790 posts since it was started in Dec of 2000. This number including many solutions to problems, and help from other posters. Replies to this message: mac24 (Nov 17, 2004 4:41 pm)
#791 of 2180 Re: F-150 Number One [jrc346] by mac24 Nov 17, 2004 (4:41 pm)
Replying to: jrc346 (Nov 17, 2004 4:03 pm) To an extent, I take your point. However, #1 in quantity doesn't necessarily equate to #1 in quality. In fact, it definitely doesn't in this case.   To be honest, I frequent this board in the hopes of hearing that Ford has found a fix for the recurring problems that are becoming evident on the new F150.   Not only are those problems being reported here, but also extensively elsewhere on the web. Further, five of the seven owners I know personally are experiencing either axle noise, vibes, dash creaks and rattles, or a combination thereof. There are two local dealers, neither of whom can provide a fix. Apparently Ford know of the problem and are working on a fix. The trouble is, this has been the answer for several months. Vehicles continue to be sold, the same problems continue to surface.   As you say, the number of posts (here) is small compared to the number of trucks sold. However, if these NVH posts were just a small part of the random problems that every manufacturer has, why aren't we seeing an equal number of complaints about mirrors, seats, electrics, transmissions, engines, etc., etc.   Ford used to be able to build trucks without these basic problems, so why shouldn't I feel put out that they can't manage it now? I want to be proud of the truck I buy. I want to buy a Ford. At the moment, unfortunately, I can't reconcile those two statements.

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