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Feb 17, 2002 (5:44 pm)
When you say "I for one did not label all domestic trucks as junk, just the GM brands. It's just a plain and simple fact I'm stating."
Do you really believe that? You've always been one of the more well-spoken and rational Tundra guys around here and I'm suprised to hear that from you.
A guy I worked with had a nightmare quality experience with a 5-speed Tacoma a few years ago. Toyota could'nt fix it and he traded it for another brand, but I don't think that means all Tacomas are junk.
Does the Tundra's warping brakes, cold-start clatter and thin sheet metal and cheap paint classify it as "junk"? Ndahi already said his could not haul well without new shocks, and the last Motor Trend article rated the Tundra's V8 engine the poorest for hauling/towing in the four-member 1/2 ton class comparison in that issue. How about this poor guy:jimedwards Feb 15, 2002 4:14pm. Edmunds and Truck Trend's tests both show GM's 5.3L 1500s outaccelerate the Tundra empty and loaded!
Dang f1...you sure do have to overlook alot of stuff with the Tundra to call any other truck junk and keep a straight face!!
I don't think Tundras are "junk" at all. They have strong and weak points just like any other truck. The reason I get a kick out of posting this stuff is that *SOME* of you guys think the Tundra is 100% bulletproof compared to other makes.
And hey...with that trade in value data: Maybe you're right, I don't know. Personally, I don't see how anyone is going to prove it one way or another and here's why. There are so many factors involved it's virtually impossible to consider them all. Vehicle condition, the owner's negotiating skills, options, geographical location (eg..4wds are worth more in certain areas), what the used truck is being traded in on, even color! I'm guessing you can support the argument either way depending where you source the numbers from.
This should be good F1. You're one of the few guys on here who will agrue points intelligently without name-calling and personal slurs, so I'm always pleased when you weigh in. Let's hear it...
#597 of 1322 f1jules
Feb 17, 2002 (5:45 pm)
I misread your post -
#598 of 1322 Re:Saw a Tundra slide into a Honda.....
Feb 17, 2002 (6:02 pm)
And everyone thinks my "Knockarado" is a bad truck. Man this lady was going anbot 30MPH and hit the brakes to late. T-Boned a Honda Civic. Tundra faired up good for the type of collision. But I guess this can happen no matter what you drive. BTW Up here I am seeing alot of Tundra owners wanting to put plows on. They can't do it on the Tundra. They seem to get peed off and go buy a ford or 2500. If Toyota wants to stay in the game of full-size P-ups then a plow prep package is a must. Also, what is the difference in size between the T-100 and the Tundra?? Seems like if they put the V8I in the T-100 it would have made a great truck!
Feb 17, 2002 (8:30 pm)
You're still here?
Thin sheet metal? Hmm - the Tundra weighs within 200lb of the Shakerado. They must be stretching the steel mighty thin in that Chev of yours.
Truck Trend rated the Tundra best for towing when compared with your Shakerado.
Trailer Life hooked up 6500lb to the Tundra and towed it through the Sierra Nevadas in mid summer and proclaimed that it was very capable.
Automobile magazine 36000 mi. long-term test with a Tundra. Not one repair!
Motor Trend long term test on the Tundra - not one repair!
For comparison sake read Edmunds long term GM test - the WORST vehicle they EVER tested! It literally fell apart.
Car and Driver did a long term test on a Shakerado and had both power windows fail, power seat fail, leaking differential, intermediate steering shaft etc. Just to name a few. They said the brakes reminded them of a '78 Impala.
#601 of 1322 ndahi-re #530
Feb 17, 2002 (9:16 pm)
don't care why tundra stops quicker?The fact that it does is enough for you?Why didn't you buy a Celica?It stops 25 feet shorter than your tundra !
Just toying with you buddy,but seriously,SLOW DOWN when you're towing ! With 4000 lb on your bumper your stopping distance DOUBLES !
BAMA your weight figures are still off ,just like last nite and this morning.
#602 of 1322 Bama(Spama)...
Feb 17, 2002 (9:24 pm)
I see you're still regurgitating the same rubbish every time you see my name! Some things never change! I can bash your Toyota with the same rehashed magazine articles you're quoting, but we've seen it all before.
Since your Tundra is perfect, why don't you see if you can offer some words of comfort to this poor guy:
jimedwards Feb 15, 2002 4:14pm
Feb 17, 2002 (9:48 pm)
You know, you're right, I guess I just get a little defensive now and then with all the BS flying around in these threads. I shouldn't make blanket statements like that.
However, from reading some of the horror stories from the Silverado owners threads and all the experiences of friends and family who have owned GM along with my experience with GM cars and trucks in my 8 years in the car rental business I have a very very very strong bias against GM. Hey that's my experience and I would say that it's quite a bit more than most and enough for me to make some qualified statements about GM quality. I don't really see any evidence that anything has changed at GM in recent years either. I have equally if not stronger feelings about Hyundai cars and nothing in recent history will change my opinion of the crap that they spew out either.
I don't think the Tundra is bulletproof but I do think it is best 1/2 ton truck in its class.