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May 13, 2002 (9:45 pm)
50 vehicles are listed. They are listed from best to worst. The Shakerado is not included. Does this mean that the shakerado is really best, but not listed? In your wildest dreams.
The fact is that the lemonado could not even make the list of the top 50.
You can keep pounding your head into a wall, but the fact remains - the Lemonado is worse than any vehicle on the list. Really not a surprise - Consumer Reports has listed both the '99 and '00 shakerados as used vehicles to avoid. Hilly will conveniently ignore this fact. Used car buyers will not.
I predict that Hilly will take it in the short hairs on trade-in for his knockerado. He will pay top dollar for a Tundra. He will be happy at last.
#1317 of 1322 I cannot believe
May 13, 2002 (10:24 pm)
that most of you waste your time like this. Just go to the source and find out the truth. The source is the NHTSA. I searched the site and could not find any list. I find it very curious that a lawyer web site will have such a list from NHTSA and the NHTSA web site does not have that list.
Houdini posted the complaints on the 2002 Tundra vs. the 2002 Rado and the numbers are verifiable. You can go to the web site yourself and find out that what Houdini is saying is correct. He even posted a link to NHTSA.
I have asked Quad in the past to show me a link to the center for auto saftey where he got the list from and Quad has not produced a link at all.
SO ONE MORE TIME, I AM ASKING THE GM GUYS FOR TWO THINGS:
1. FIND A LINK ON THE NHTSA WEB SITE THAT SUPPORTS WHAT THE LAWYERS ARE CLAIMING.
2. FIND A LINK ON THE CENTER FOR AUTO SAFETY WEB SITE THAT SUPPORTS WHAT QUAD IS SAYING.
I will believe you if you can post such links. Until then all that has been said is a waste of bandwidth
#1318 of 1322 Hillhound, you sure are impressionable for being a grown man...
May 13, 2002 (10:53 pm)
Do you need a lawyer to interpret everything for you? If not, take ndahi12's advice, go to the NHTSA website and compare the Tundra's complaints to those of the Silverado's. Get it straight from the horse's mouth. The GMC complaints dwarf the Toyota's, both in number and severity.
In short, quit hanging on every word attorneys Kimmel and Silverman say, be a man, think on your own two feet, draw your own conclusions.
This may be a surprise for you, but you probably shouldn't believe everything you hear, especially from lawyers. Or GMC's advertising campaign, either, or you'll be in for some hard knocks (no pun intended!).
#1319 of 1322 Wow 48 new posts since ....
May 13, 2002 (11:07 pm)
I posted about 10 hours ago lol ... good job guys. At least the topics not dead, if we could just keep the back and forth somewhat civil then all is good lol.
KG ... lol well I believe this thread to be open to anyone who can remain respectful to the topic and posters at hand. Just because one may not own a Tundra doesn't mean they aren't knowledgeable about them. Some people like myself, are here to simply learn more about them before we plunk the money down.
There used to be a Toyota Tundra OWNERS forum and I tried very hard not to post there as I'm not an owner. Sometimes an occasional topic would get carried there one way or another but I tried to remain respectful from a non-owner perspective. Since this topic isn't owner specific it certainly should be open to all. It doesn't take a degree to figure out what's acceptable in these rooms and what isn't. I don't know of any Edmunds topic that has stayed completely on track, but plenty of them remain civil.
#1320 of 1322 There's an information superhighway out there!
May 13, 2002 (11:22 pm)
...invented by Alexander Graham Bell!
Says right here:
>The 2002 Lemon List
Thanks to the efforts of the Center for Auto Safety, we are able to provide you with the vehicle complaints on file with the National Highway for Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). Each year, thousands of Americans call their government to register complaints about their vehicles. The federal government collects this information but has never released it to the general public. The complaint index is based on a ratio of the number of complaints for each vehicle to the sales of that vehicle.<
Ndahi, let's review.
1.) It says "thousands of Americans call their government...
2.) It says the information is "collected by the federal government but never released to the general public."
Translation: You won't find it clicking links. It's why lawyers get big bucks for doing research, and you don't.
(And besides, for the lawyer conspiracy you seem to be inferring, you'd have to accept that the other 24 lemons were faked also. Why don't you just call the number and ask them?)
#1321 of 1322 How convenient
May 14, 2002 (12:14 am)
So somehow these lawyers are priviliged and have information that no one else has. Quad, I have a bridge to sell you. You must be really naive if you buy that.
The first principle of sound research is to CORROBORATE one's evidence by evidence from a second, third and even fourth party. This evidence that you posted cannot be corroborated either by the Center For Auto Safety nor by NHTSA. So it is not reliable. These are just a couple of lawyers out to make a buck.
Think for a minute. Why would NHTSA withhold such evidence from the public when it allows the same public to post complaints directly to their web site? Doesn't that seem odd to you. It does to me. Why would NHTSA provide this info ONLY to these two lawyers? Why not other lawyers?
You still have NOT posted a link to the Center For Auto Safety best and worst list that you keep posting over and over again. When will you provide me with a link to their web site so I can read/see for myself? What are you trying to hide?
May 14, 2002 (3:08 am)
This is NOT a contest to see who can create more posts in the other guy's problem topic.
I'm shutting down the topics where you guys continue this nonsense. Should it start up again, you're gone. Plain and simple.