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So if the Toyota Tundra became available in May of 1999 it has been on sale for two years and nine months - just shy of three years. Further, the NHTSA recalled 1999 and 2000 Toyota Tundras for electrical system defects. Translation - the Tundra was not only around in 1999, but was built as a 1999 model.
The Avalanche did hit dealers in select parts of the country in May of 2002, and wide distribution in August of 2002 - meaning it has been available widely for five months.
Here is the Toyota Tundra stories:
About May release in 1999
Safety recall of 1999 Tundra's
Review of Tundra written in July of 1999
And if that doesn't convince you - then here is right off of the Toyota PR website stating a June of 1999 roll out:
You never responded to my feature to feature comparison - but I'll fill in the blanks for you. With out even starting, the Tundra isn't a real crew cab. It's an extended cab truck. Ya' it's got four doors, but the back two are on rear hinges and the doors close together - like other extended cab trucks.
If I equip a 2002 Tundra Access cab which is a smaller truck, with less total passenger room, less total cargo room, less towing capacity, less horsepower, less torque, and has less safety features including not having four-wheel disc brakes, four-wheel anti-lock brakes, side impact air bags, rear window defroster, and heated side view mirrors. This is how it would be equipped:
4x4 Access Cab SR5 4.7L V8 4 Speed Automatic
Option Package C: Cloth Captains Chairs, Convenience Package w/Keyles Entry, 48 State Emissions Requirement, 5 Spoke Aluminum Alloy, All Weather Guard Package, Dlx 3-In-1etr/Cass/Cd Combo W/, Fog Lamps
Preferred Equipment Package 1 $226.00
Auto-Dimming Mirror $280.00
V.I.P.-RS3000 Plus Securitysys $309.00
Spare Tire Lock $0.00
Wheel Locks (Alloy) $0.00
Bed Rug By Wise $419.00
Carpet Floor Mats $0.00
Towing Receiver Hitch $379.00
Then you have to run down the list of the other features not found on the Tundra. Temperature and compass, engine hours meter, message center, top box storage, removable hard cargo cover, locking tailgate. I'm sure some folks are starting to figure it out. Anyway, the Toyota is going to sticker for:
About $3K less than a base Avalanche - but a lot less truck.
Now I'll give credit where credit is due. Excellent crash performance rating, great reliability and resale value, and best in class stock ground clearance (over 11" out of the box, very impressive). The Tundra isn't a slouch.
I'll take it a step further, between the big four truck makers, GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota I'd put it at number two. Ford has serious quality problems right now and they did terrible in crash tests. The current batch of F-150's are death traps. Dodge pricing is a scam (as indicated on my site). They have very low base prices but base at Dodge practically means the wheels are extra. What starts out at a base of $25K suddenly becomes $31K to get up to the equipment of a Tundra or Avalanche.
The thing that hurts the Toyota, in my humble opinion is the issue that has hurt foreign imports from the word go. There is no substitute for cubic inches. As I've already indicated, the Avalanche is bigger and better across the board, and if I'm pulling a trailer or carrying a load then I want that advantage.
Just trying to keep things real.
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Secondly, I pointed out the good things about the Tundra, and quality of product being one of them.
Third - NO ONE I know pays MSRP. However what a person makes in an individual deal versus the MSRP by the manufacturer are two different things. I have NEVER paid MSRP on a vehicle and I'll never will. Not only did I get my Avalanche below invoice, I started negotitations $1,995 above sticker price with the dreaded ADM sticker.
You were the one who argued that the Tundra started as a 2000 model and had been out for two years. Not me.
You are also the one who stated:
"...there are way more Tundra's than Avs also.
Just an observation. I doubt anyone will respond though because I drive a Tundra and apparently I have nothing to add to this discussion..."
So I responded - and I've certainly never stated you have nothing of value to add. You then when on to say:
"Well, I'm not going to argue with you about which vehicle is better. Clearly there would be no winner and you're not going change my mind..."
So lets see. You drive a Tundra. You never stated you were going to buy an Avalanche. It safe to draw the lines and conclude that you think the Tundra is better and nothing can change your mind.
I mean I guess for $23K it's better but I can buy a loaded Dakota Quad Cab for $23K, which puts the Tundra in my book in a totally different class. So I guess it's like comparing a toy truck to a real truck. Anyway what's the point, I own an Avalanche and I guess I have nothing to say that won't be construed as a personal afront.
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Maybe we can get together sometime!