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#747 of 1986 Vacation from Tundra land with a F-150 Harley Edition
May 29, 2001 (4:00 pm)
I just spent the week driving a 2000 Ford F150 Harley Davidson Edition 2wd truck which included towing an enclosed car trailer (5000 lbs). It was the super cab; they went to a 4 door this year. It's suspension is tuned more towards a sport truck, sits about 1.5" lower than a standard F150, has 20" wheels and tires, and a limited slip diff. It had no vibrations, the drive line didn't clunk, the transmission shifted smoothly, it handled better, towed better, had a much better sterio, and got a little better mileage than my Tundra. It had a 260HP 5.4 engine which is a little more than the standard 5.4 via a SVT Lighting style exhaust system.
I have owned my Tundra for a year now and it has not come close to meeting the expectations I had for quality and refinement when I bought it. Driving the Harley edition F150 showed me how much I had been in denial/ ignoring all the built-in shortcomings the current Tundra suspension and drive train has.
Today a guy asked me how I liked my Tundra and I told him if I had to do it all over again I would buy a Ford F150 and set it up like the Harley edition minus the Black paint and Harley labels; after spending a week driving one I couldn't recommend a 2wd Tundra anymore.
If you are happy with your Tundra then I am happy for you. I am expressing my opinion so forgive me if it doesn't match yours. I have had my truck into the dealer and read all the posts in tundrasolutions.com.. I think there are still problems with the design. The dealer doesn't have any answers and Toyota can't fix the design problems with the existing trucks. In 2002 Toyota should get it right, until then you are better off with a F150 for ride and drive quality. One closing thought, never buy a 2wd V8 powered truck that doesn't have a limited slip differential.
#749 of 1986 thanks slag
May 31, 2001 (5:36 am)
as it is, i've decided on the chevy HD with a 6.0 and 4.10 rear. evrything else i want on the truck is still being worked out. big difference between the tundra and the chevy though, it's like comparing a chicken egg to an ostrich egg. LOL
the tundra is a cute little pickup, but no where near the size of the fullsize trucks. also it's great to be able to learn what i have learned about trucks here at edmunds.
May 31, 2001 (5:59 am)
thanks to those for pointing me in the right direction. i came on here with the dtermination of buying the tundra, but after seeing all the reasons why the bigger trucks are better known for the type of towing i intend to do, it makes sense to buy a fullsize truck with at least a bed that's long enough to use for 5th wheeling. also that any of the 1/2 ton trucks made by chevy or ford and dodge are good candidates. i did however like the responsive attitude that the chevy 6.0 has. but it's only available in the HD versions i believe.
#751 of 1986 Help- Need Advice, Experience, Tundras in Snow/ice
Jun 16, 2001 (5:04 pm)
Folks- I need some honest advice. I am sold on Toyota quality, reliability, OK. Currently own an Avalon. My wife and I are retired and live in Maine. We need to know how good the Tundra 4 x 4, V8, automatic is in snow/icey conditions. I noticed at a dealer that the off road package has different tires with more aggressive threads. Better in snow? We live where we must go up and down a fairly steep hill with one switchback and a 90 degree turn. We are considering a Tundra vs a Subaru Outback with snow as the ONLY consideration. Would also like to know the Tundra's true gas mileage experience, highway as well as around town.
In advance, I thank you for your time and responses.
#752 of 1986 Tundras in snow & ice
Jun 17, 2001 (9:37 am)
Hi John,As far as getting around in the snow and ice in Maine go,You will do fine on level ground,but getting around in the driveway you described,You are going to have problems(more than nice tires are needed).Mostly due to the light weight of these types of trucks and the lack of usable torque to the wheels if you get the automatic.I know because I live in NH and own one myself,But am considering selling mine due to the repeated problems that mine is having.I also own a '99 Dodge Ram 3/4 ton 4wd w/the diesel in it that absolutely loves the snow and gets around just fine(haven't gotten stuck yet),and averages 22 mpg hwy and 17 in town thanks to the diesel engine. As far as MPG's are concerned on the Yota(summer truck),mine averages 19 hwy and 15 around town in mostly level areas.It's your $$$ and your choice(forget Subaru,Long story). I'm either getting a Dakota or a Jeep Liberty next time. Good luck in your selection & happy motoring!
#753 of 1986 RE msge #689, JWhaelen1
Jun 17, 2001 (3:04 pm)
Give me a hint please. Why not Subaru?
#754 of 1986 For towing horse trailers.
Jun 17, 2001 (7:37 pm)
Get a big Dodge, Ford or GMC diesel. Forget the Tundra. You'll toast that tranny. You can't even get limited slip (ludicrous).
#755 of 1986 Subaru Forrester/Outback(long story )=slightly shortened
Jun 18, 2001 (7:15 am)
My 67 yr old Aunt lives in Calais,ME and on one cold & snowy day and she was going down her driveway in her Subaru Forrester(basically,same type of car as the Outback w/ a different name)and slid right across the road and went approx.halfway into the ditch.The ditch is only about 2-3' deep and approx. 6-7'wide.It's only purpose is so the plows have a place to put the excess snow.Anyway,after shearing 2 out of 4 hubs & partially damaging the driveshaft(according to the dealer) trying to get out,it took her neighbors Kubota tractor to un- stick it and about $1,500.00 to fix the thing.That included the tow to dealership.NOT CHEAP!I wouldn't put up with that kind of B.S.Would you?She now owns a GMC Jimmy and doesn't worry about getting stuck anymore(in ditches or at the dealer).'Nuff said? I'm not trying to change your mind,just informing you that not all vehicles are created equal.That's why there are so may choices out there to fit different needs.Anyway,Take Care John.I hope this helps.
#756 of 1986 More info on Subaru's
Jun 18, 2001 (8:05 am)
I'm not trying to degrade Subaru's in any way But,plan on having rust repair done in about 3-4 years of winter driving up here if you get the Outback.The salt they use on the roads up here reiks havoc on the front areas of them,such as the:front of the hood,front area of roof,tailgate/hatch,& door lock areas& under sides.Keep an eye on the weld seams also.Roof rack attatch areas are prone to damage also.I have a friend that does body work at the Subaru/Toyota dealer I go to when my Tundra is sick And he constantly fixes these types of problems all the time.Take a look around, not too many Subaru's on the road up here due to these very reasons.....I'm on your side John, just giving you the facts and trying to help you out.Have a "wicked"good time;As Tim Sample says(LOL).C-ya