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#435 of 1986 2001 Tundra limited
Nov 24, 2000 (12:38 am)
You can now get a factory hitch on the 2001 limited. I think I have Toyota figured out:
2001 - Factory hitch
2002 - Locker option
2003 - give buyer a choice in rear differentials
2004 - offer choice of 2 V8 engines
2005 - Autotrac like option
2006 - redesign of truck includes a rear seat sized for humans
By 2006 they will almost be caught up with the 1999 Chevy Silverado - of course this truck will cost $55,000.
Nov 24, 2000 (12:40 am)
But when they goin offer a real "full size" one, instead of "Da Runt" one? Good luck on this one now!
Nov 24, 2000 (2:33 am)
Your truck only gets 19mpg highway? The last highway trip I took in my V8 Extended cab 4X4 Tundra I got 19.5 mpg. I was going 75 to 80mph most of the trip and it included a 3000 ft climb. Needless to say I am thrilled with the mileage of my Tundra.
Nov 24, 2000 (4:01 am)
Lets see now, what size V8 did the Chevy have in it? .5 MPG.... means that much. Lets see the HP/Torque curves on the two engines. Toyota fans don't like HP/Torque curves, deflates the ego a bit.... LOL!
#439 of 1986 Them tundra ones be lighter...
Nov 24, 2000 (6:03 am)
They aint got no hitchs and the pumpkins be open now. They aint "full size" either, yet them big3 ones be gettin better mileage than them ones. Guessin that fancy engine on them limited ones aint all that after all. So much for that myth on them ones now. Good luck on this one now!
Nov 24, 2000 (11:46 pm)
I said over 19, actually it was 19.6 - I had 3 days worth of camping gear - even a bike rack with two bikes. The trip was 400 miles and included 70 miles of Houston traffic, and 3 days of short trips between the lake and our camp site. I did take it easy on the trip to the lake - traffic was light at 4:00 AM and did not need the a/c, the trip home was bumper to bumper combat, a/c on. The average speed for the trip was 48 mph, which includes several hours at 75- 80 mph and several hours stuck it slow traffic. I would guess a pure highway trip with no load at 75 MPH I would get well over 20.
Glad you get good MPG out of your Tundra, I think it is a little better than the Dakota (the only other true mid-size) it would be a real disappointment to have only 245 HP and still get poor mileage.
Again I have nothing against the Tundra or Toyota - if they ever build a full size truck or if my needs/wants change and allow a mid-size or compact truck - I would give Toyota a shot at my business. Maybe by 2006 Toyota will grow up and be competitive.
Nov 25, 2000 (6:32 am)
I know that you are really proud of that luxurious back seat that your truck has. I'm happy for you.
For me, the size of the back seat was not that big of a deal. I needed a truck - not an SUV. I have not had any complaints from any of my passengers. If they don't like my wheels, they can walk.(The ingrates!)
I considered all full size trucks before buying my Tundra. I drove a Chevy but it had lots of wind and road noise - numerous rattles, clunks and other noises and it was somewhat sluggish off of the line. Once rolling it was fine - but it seemed to have no grunt down low. I like vehicles that have a lot of low end torque. The Tundra even though it is a smaller engine had much more low end torque. Drive one - you'll see.
The salesman told me the rattles, clunks and wind noise were normal - "They all do that." I also did not like the cheesy plastic interior - cheap looking. It did have a nice back seat though.
Here are my reasons for choosing the Tundra:
1) I did not like the styling of the Chevy. If I wanted a pickup with 3 box, '70s styling - I would buy a '70s truck - not a new one. In the Chevies case a '70s truck would be higher quality and more reliable.
2) I did not like the fact that Chevy was ranked 26th in initial quality by J.D. Powers. If I wanted a truck with Hyundai quality - I would want to pay Hyundai prices. I think the Chevy is probably worth about 15 - 20K to me. It must be worth more to you - you paid it.
3) Consumer reports is already ranking the '99 Silverado as a used vehicle to avoid. The ranked the 2000 as -90% predicted reliability - off of their charts. They ranked the 4WD even worse if that is possible.
4) The engine in the Tundra has been in production for 9 years. It is out of the Landcruiser - a proven bulletproof vehicle.
The Silverado was a first year engine - and we all know Chevies track record with new designs. Chevy saves money by trying out their new designs on the unsuspecting truck buyer. Their engines were redesigned after two full years of production to stop knocking when cold due to excessive main bearing clearances. Typical Chevy lack of quality.
5) The Tundra front seats had more room and felt more comfortable (I have captains chairs - highly recommended). I sit in the front seats - not the back.
6) Toyotas reputation for quality. The Tundra won the J.D. Powers award for initial quality in full size pickups. This was in their first year of production. The '96 Toyota T100 won J.D Powers 2000 award for most dependable full size pickup. This was the result of a 5 year study. Quite a contrast with Chevy.
I have nothing against Chevy - if they ever build a full size truck with Toyota levels of quality and reliability - I might consider one. Judging by the current Silverados they ought to have all of the major bugs worked out in 4 or 5 years. They are heavily bracing the flimsy frame this year. Maybe they can get it to run without knocking on regular gas next year. Of course, by they will then come out with a new model even worse than the current one.
Maybe Chevy will continue on their current course and go bankrupt or be bought out by Toyota in a few years. That would be nothing but good for the quality of their trucks. I hope this doesn't happen because then we would be talking of Ford being the only domestic auto maker left. That would be a shame.
There is only so far that Chevy can string along their zealots. Todays truck buyers do not expect business as usual. They expect quality. They don't want to become intimately familiar with the service department of their local Chevy dealer.
Good Luck with your Silverado. If it were me - I would sell it quick before the word gets out about the consumer reports rating. That can't be good for your resale. Maybe some sap will buy it because it has a big back seat.
#442 of 1986 OK everone put your boots on........
Nov 25, 2000 (8:42 am)
Its getting deep in here!
#443 of 1986 Maybe bama didn't want a "full size" truck...
Nov 25, 2000 (4:30 pm)
Good luck on this one now!
Nov 25, 2000 (10:29 pm)
Well I guess about the only thing we agree on is the bike rack!! Maybe you tested a bad chevy, I am happy with the performance of mine. Pulling from a stop light today - up ahead about 1/4 block the lanes went from 3 down to 2. The guy in the next lane in his Lexus SC thought he would cut me off. I hammered the gas - not only burns rubber in 1st but also got a good squeal when I hit second gear. The locker kicked in and the Lexus was in my rear view. Does the Lexus have a limited slip or was all that squealing coming from just one tire? The Lexus finally did catch up - I let off at 50MPH - and let him - he looked a little bit embarrassed. AS he went by I noticed it was the SC400 - I assumed it would be an SC300. But then who knows maybe he had 2,000 pounds of golf clubs in his trunk.