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Who said anything about skiers and hikers being more detrimental to the environment? I think you may have misunderstood someone. Yes, snowmobiles produce air pollution. Hikers/skiers do not (well, at least when they don't have franks & beans for lunch). The whole point is that there are idiots on both sides. They damage the land, whether it's polluting, starting fires, messing around with animals in their natural environment, or whatever. Just become someone straps some skis on their feet doesn't automatically make them some wonderful, green environmentalist. They can also be a detriment to our dwindling wilderness areas. THAT is my point. |
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you said-- "Maybe you should refrain from this discussion until you can stick to the subject at hand." Maybe you should too. Last time I checked this was a Tacoma v. Ranger site, not a "save the forest" site. |
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in the drawer, are you? I said this: "It is in the SIZE of the remaining public lands. MY map, from the Sangres information are accurately shows the total public lands where in many cases access is restricted. His shows only wilderness areas but fails to identify the restrictions placed on the rest of the federal land." I KNOW what your map was however, I also know there are areas in the San Isabel, other than the wilderness areas, where you can depart the road, walk for 3+ miles without hitting a road and quite frankly it is in thick forest, where all you hear is the wind, and creaking trees. You set 5000 acres as your goal for no roads right? Well that is an area of about 3X3 miles square. Look, you have such a passion for the environment, to on up with Bruce Babbett when they release grizzlies up in Yellowstone, shake thier hand and welcome them back to the lower 48. But on the way there, stop by the ranchers and EXPLAIN why THEY have to loose 20-30 head of what ever they ranch so YOU can say "look what we did". That is my problem spoog, you guys do not give a c$$p about who you impact as long as you get your way. Gonna talk the talk you better be walking the talk, and you do not. You drive a vehicle that contributes more to pollution, than mine, gets worse gas mileage than mine and lecture me about what I have to do to ramrod through your pet projects to improve the evironment? Lets close by saying this. Getting hit by high gas prices now because you were running polluting MTBE? New formula? Well I have run ethanol in my vehicles since 78. Renewable resource (corn), helps the farmers sell thier product and pollutes much less. And you I suspect have been dumping more pollution in the air than my vehicles, including my Ranger, have ever dumped. Bout time your paying up for years of pollution. |
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and still under $20K total cost. Getting a Warn front receiver hitch today, going to install myself. The winch, a Ramsey 8000 with roller fairline should come it this week. Hope to have it installed and running this weekend all for under $1,000, winch, platform, hitch and hookups. I will be ready for just about anything when it is done. |
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and a little more on topic: "I got invited to a pre-run for this year’s camp jeep on June 16-18 (yes I took my Taco). About 60 tour guides were there along with a rep from Warn winch, two Chrysler Jeep engineers and a Chrysler marketing guru. The Chrysler Jeep people took many of the guides out for dinner and one of the engineers was talking about how they test the jeep and new ideas they come up with. One thing he said they do is, buy a 4x4 from every manufacture and run them real hard until they break. The test is a little bit scientific because they tear them down to see how they’re made, mic um out, put meters and gauges on different things, then taken out to run the hell out of them to try & break um. Once broken it’s taken back into the shop and torn down again to learn the how’s and why’s of the breakage. Now when asked what kind of stuff they have learn, this Jeep engineer told all these super Jeep lovers on a Camp Jeep pre-run what we Toyota lovers have known for a long time. He said what he has learned is that Toyota’s don’t break!!! He said they have a really hard time trying to get them to break compared to others and many time are just unsuccessful in braking the Toyota’s. After dinner and the next day my Taco became popular, everyone wanted to check her out and see how she is made." |
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| That was a great post and what makes Toyota a Toyota. | |
| Great post man! Those Jeep engineers know what they are talking about. Now you know PART of the reason why Toyotas cost a bit more........ | |
| Give me the Toyota I'll break it in about 5 minutes..... | |
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modvptnl: "son...are you using my AOL again?" vince8, cthompson21: ...and telepathy tells me that you live in Alaska and are made of ham. Nah...I'm sure you're all rugged types that could survive any prolonged winter/summer in a remote forest/desert if left only with your wits, swiss army knife, and a box of EZ-Strike wooden matches. I prefer to buy the most proven, well-crafted item whether that be electronics, golf clubs, hunting gear or automobiles. First, it's raw non-propaganda factoids and THEN I may check a message board or two like this to read actual consumer comments (not expecting a soap opera). I chose Toyota because of proven track-record and craftmanship. Autos are not people, they are machines and the Toyota machine IS better. There are better automakers than Toyota, but they don't sell trucks. So. It's annoying to see a bunch of rats in Edmund's Car Review Messageboard (of all places...??) taking up WELFARE space when there are boards like MSNBC, Raging Bull, APBNews and countless others like Fred's cabled 486 down the road that are meant for armchair environmentalists, armchair politicians and wanna-be manipulators or know-it-alls. Because I wonder how much useful information is lost or scrolled off into never-never because a few people want to argue over who has factory-signatured lug nuts or how to save the squirrels. If nothing else and if you really think it is your duty to do so, at least try and change the world through a more well-traveled board like the ones mentioned above or others. PS: "vs" can also mean real-life experience like "i've owned both. i like this one better because... Now I will go to Raging Bull and post my views of the world" instead of "i own a Ford and ah hev this here buddy, fRank, who owns a Toyota. I can whup him good in the south 40 swamp" or how you beat some nameless, faceless entity in the competing vehicle off the blocks at the light on 12th street (was it your grandpa? did the competing driver even know he was supposed to be racing you?). |
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| OK folks I am new to this chat room. I have really enjoyed reading all the responses and can see that this is a lively and heartfelt topic. Although the debate seems to have cooled some of late. Maybe I can get everyone back on course. I will probably be buying a new truck in about a year. I believe it is never to early to start planning. If I had to buy today I would have to go with the Toyota V6 4x4 over the Ranger for reliability, power, and looks. Yes looks, I am not afraid to say it. The Ranger in my opinion takes far too many plastic add ons to look good. Only the Ranger XLT flare side 4X4 comes close to matching the Tacomas muscle tough look. Fortunately I can afford to wait a while and see what the 2001 Ranger with the 4 litre 6 and Edge version will look like. I am also keeping my eye on the Frontier and XTerra. A 250 hp 6 from the Maxima has made it into the Pathfinder. The Frontier and XTerra could be next? The Frontier is rather plain looking and I dont't know that I am ready for the Sport Utility bandwagon, but they might be worth a test drive. | |
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