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Please remove your head from your behind. Your map of Colorado public lands is just THAT. There is a DIFFERENCE between maps ROADLESS LANDS and maps of all PUBLIC LANDS. I PROVIDED A MAP of the remaining ROADLESS LANDS. You then mistakingly compared that map with a map you provided of ALL PUBLIC LANDS. THe MAP I PROVIDED was a ROADLESS LAND map. THe map you provided is a PUBLIC LANDS map. That is not a ROADLESS LANDS ONLY map. MY map showed the REMAINING ROADLESS LANDS on our NATIONAL FORESTS. YOUR map showed ALL national forest and public lands in Colorado. As usual, you cloud the issue with ignorance. Maybe you should refrain from this discussion until you can stick to the subject at hand. You have done the same thing with the RAnger argument. |
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"Balance the access, work with timber industry instead of trying to injure people and work with the off-roader." The access is balanced. IT's balanced for the motor and road crowd. Over 90 PERCENT of the lower 48 is roaded. Again, here is a link to a map of our last remaining roadless areas: http://www.wilderness.net/nwps/map.cfm Look at this map gang. Cspounser advocates cutting even MORE into this last bit of wilderness, and allow roads through it. Pretty sad. |
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| I agree with you more then it seems at first glance. What really got me to respond at all was the statment about hikers and skiiers being more detrimental to the environment then snowmobilers. That is nonsense. | |
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| The map that Spoog has posted the link to was created by National Geographic and hosted by the University of Montana's school of Forestry, A.K.A scientists, who know quite a bit more about the topic then any of the us in here including the expert snowmobilers, and wheelers. | |
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Who said anything about skiers and hikers being more detrimental to the environment? I think you may have misunderstood someone. Yes, snowmobiles produce air pollution. Hikers/skiers do not (well, at least when they don't have franks & beans for lunch). The whole point is that there are idiots on both sides. They damage the land, whether it's polluting, starting fires, messing around with animals in their natural environment, or whatever. Just become someone straps some skis on their feet doesn't automatically make them some wonderful, green environmentalist. They can also be a detriment to our dwindling wilderness areas. THAT is my point. |
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you said-- "Maybe you should refrain from this discussion until you can stick to the subject at hand." Maybe you should too. Last time I checked this was a Tacoma v. Ranger site, not a "save the forest" site. |
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in the drawer, are you? I said this: "It is in the SIZE of the remaining public lands. MY map, from the Sangres information are accurately shows the total public lands where in many cases access is restricted. His shows only wilderness areas but fails to identify the restrictions placed on the rest of the federal land." I KNOW what your map was however, I also know there are areas in the San Isabel, other than the wilderness areas, where you can depart the road, walk for 3+ miles without hitting a road and quite frankly it is in thick forest, where all you hear is the wind, and creaking trees. You set 5000 acres as your goal for no roads right? Well that is an area of about 3X3 miles square. Look, you have such a passion for the environment, to on up with Bruce Babbett when they release grizzlies up in Yellowstone, shake thier hand and welcome them back to the lower 48. But on the way there, stop by the ranchers and EXPLAIN why THEY have to loose 20-30 head of what ever they ranch so YOU can say "look what we did". That is my problem spoog, you guys do not give a c$$p about who you impact as long as you get your way. Gonna talk the talk you better be walking the talk, and you do not. You drive a vehicle that contributes more to pollution, than mine, gets worse gas mileage than mine and lecture me about what I have to do to ramrod through your pet projects to improve the evironment? Lets close by saying this. Getting hit by high gas prices now because you were running polluting MTBE? New formula? Well I have run ethanol in my vehicles since 78. Renewable resource (corn), helps the farmers sell thier product and pollutes much less. And you I suspect have been dumping more pollution in the air than my vehicles, including my Ranger, have ever dumped. Bout time your paying up for years of pollution. |
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and still under $20K total cost. Getting a Warn front receiver hitch today, going to install myself. The winch, a Ramsey 8000 with roller fairline should come it this week. Hope to have it installed and running this weekend all for under $1,000, winch, platform, hitch and hookups. I will be ready for just about anything when it is done. |
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and a little more on topic: "I got invited to a pre-run for this year’s camp jeep on June 16-18 (yes I took my Taco). About 60 tour guides were there along with a rep from Warn winch, two Chrysler Jeep engineers and a Chrysler marketing guru. The Chrysler Jeep people took many of the guides out for dinner and one of the engineers was talking about how they test the jeep and new ideas they come up with. One thing he said they do is, buy a 4x4 from every manufacture and run them real hard until they break. The test is a little bit scientific because they tear them down to see how they’re made, mic um out, put meters and gauges on different things, then taken out to run the hell out of them to try & break um. Once broken it’s taken back into the shop and torn down again to learn the how’s and why’s of the breakage. Now when asked what kind of stuff they have learn, this Jeep engineer told all these super Jeep lovers on a Camp Jeep pre-run what we Toyota lovers have known for a long time. He said what he has learned is that Toyota’s don’t break!!! He said they have a really hard time trying to get them to break compared to others and many time are just unsuccessful in braking the Toyota’s. After dinner and the next day my Taco became popular, everyone wanted to check her out and see how she is made." |
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| That was a great post and what makes Toyota a Toyota. | |
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