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IF the project to thin the forest is exanded, and the thinning is for fire breaks, that timber could be used by lumber operations, the wood gatherer that uses that fuel to heat his home, saving the non-renewable resource of oil for other uses. It could work, but it takes planning, and that is lacking in the current management of federal lands. And to lump all the blame for the damage on motorized forest users is unfair. One of the recent fires here is being blamed on a whacko guy that alternates living in a tent or car, and the other on teenagers, none caused by natural acts. So add the NM fire, the Sand Dunes fire, you have man, in some cases ineptly trying to tame nature, causing great harm. No harm caused by my or anyones 4X4, a snowmobiler or an ATV'er. |
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I pay taxes too and I do not want my money to go for rescue of a dope that gets in over his head. Wanna pay my share? Quite frankly, living in Highlands Ranch, I can see why you long for the open spaces where you cannot hear the guy next door cough. Do not take it personal, just my opinion... |
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according to the Pike Nat. Forest map, there are 2 Wilderness areas in it, containing 140,000 acres or in excess of 200 square miles. Totally restricted for motorized vehicles. And the rest has a great number of restricted areas for motor vehicles. And it should be restricted and we 4 wheel drive uses should police ourselves. |
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So if you have not skied an avalance prone area 20 times, right? What stops you, a sign saying that? A guy taking tickets? Just curious knowing all the x-county skiers that get stranded out of bounds, many who willfully ski out of bounds for the thrill. A land of many uses, getting more restrictive every day. |
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for example: imagine a lake 10 mile long by 1 mile wide. a single motorboat could circumnavigate it in less than an hour. Ten boats would crowd it.. twenty or thirty would dominate the lake , excluding all other forms of recreation. NOw supposed we bannished motorboats and only aloowed canoes or rowboats.. now the lake would seem 10 to 100 times larger. The same holds true to a greater degree to the automobile. Distance is a function of speed and time. you limit the speed and space seem larger. so just by limiting the automobile in our parks and wildeness areas we make these areas seem infinately larger. |
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i meant... an intermediate skier would lose his cookies looking down avalanche terain, hence they dont do it. And on highlands ranch. I completely agree... its not my house its a freinds.. i spent the last 3 years living in summit county Sking and playing while i was young... i left there to to finish my education so i can live the life i want for myself.. Taxes... only if you agree to pay mine as far as roadbuilding goes  |
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Yeah Highlands Ranch in some ways is sad...was nice when it was open spaces. I do not disagree with you regarding motorized boating to a degree. Smaller lakes should and do restrict the size of motors. Pueblo Res. can handle larger faster boats. Tell ya what, will pay your share of 4X4 trail upkeep... My point is that here in Colorado there IS a lot of wilderness area, as there should be. But, read that RM News article I cited. It states rather directly, that letting a forest go for 100 years is bad. I am serious about joint use to clear and make the forests safer. Knowing a logging operation, it would have to be regulated and controlled to a degree which is acceptable to me. Heck, take some Govt workers to remove the trees to a place where a logger can pick em up. Then everyone wins. Still seriously question spoogs numbers such as for roads. Fringe groups like that inflate numbers to make the point. San Isabel is one of the largest forests in the nation and it, on its govt provided map states 800 miles in trails and roads. Perhaps some people here should bid on a piece of land in Montana that is available. The house from it is in Calif though. And the former resident is in Florence, Co. his room and board paid at the Correctional Facility. Remember him, Teddy K.?. Hey, didn't he swear by a book by AlGore? Had to take the Ranger in today. While cleaning mud/dirt small furry animals from the frame from trail rides, noticed a wet front on the xfer case near the yoke. It turned out to be a fitting for the pressure vent turned slightly that caused the leak. They filled the case and I was on my way. So be on the lookout for something like that if under your vehicle. While in they just routinely changed out the wiper switch and GEM module. Did not have the heart to tell them they had just done that when it was in for 25K service. VINCE: Changed your front brakes yet? I am coming up on 29K and there is a slight whooshing noise. Bought the parts from NAPA. If you have done it, any tricks? Also, ever check on a front receiver hitch? My winch should be here this week. Looking for recomendations. |
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One National Forest in Ill, Shawnee? Oh my! Lots more here and gas is a buck 53 too! |
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Everyone is so worried about their rites. Yes, everyone has the rite to access publicly owned lands but where does it say everyone has the rite to access these places by whatever means they want to because it is fun and it is their rite. So much BS happens in this country because people claim it is their rite. Where does it say that you are garunteed the right to drive a motor vehicle on public land. That is a priviledge that should be allowed to be revoked in specific situations. I'm sorry but just because someone is physically unable to get to a backcountry site does not mean they have to the right to strap on on engine to get there. Why dont we just build a chairlift or an elevator to get to the top of Mt.Elbert? It does not take a tree hugging hippie to understand that motor vehicles are more intrusive on the environment then pedestrian activities. A snow mobile or ATV being used "by the book" still polutes. To say that a hiker or skiier can leave behind some litter is missing the point completely, so can a snowmobiler. A freaking bear can knock over your trash can and drag some litter into the woods but what does that have to do with anything? Just my opinion |
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It is "...RIGHT..." by the way, not rite, kinda derived from "Right, Bill of" Well aware of the difference between a right and a privilege, taught it for many years. However every citizen has the right to access public lands. And speaking of public lands, the MAJORITY of W. Colo is govt lands. I have never said that someone should be allowed to drive wherever they want. There are multiple restrictions in NG land, for example, where only ATV's can go or in many cases no motorized vehicle. If you go to some 4X4 sites, and I will post the URL's, you see words that mirror the Nat. Forest words of a land of many uses. You see such words aa "TREAD Lightly": http://www.fourwheeler.com/adventure/tdlight.html http://www.treadlightly.org/who_we_are.html You see four wheel drive ethics: http://www.4x4now.com/bb0497.html You see people attempting to work together for everyone to enjoy the wilds of this great land, equal opportunity. |
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