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Why is it that a sport would be looked down upon because it involved an engine? If there were a 4 cycle engine readily available in my price range, I'd gladly look into it. The only manufacturer I know of that makes one is Redline. This is their first year of production with a total output of 800 sleds costing around $10,000 each (if you can even get one that is). About the only people that can throw the pollution flag would be those who don't own an automobile, don't use electricity, and don't use manufactured goods. If you think that all snowmobilers are irresponsible and all skiers are wonderful, responsible nature lovers that never cause any problems, I think you might need to reassess your views. Have you ever heard of back country skiers? How many slides do they cause a year? How much does it cost the taxpayer to find these idiots who like to go off the marked trails and get themselves lost? BTW, I snowmobile only in Wisconsin (primarily flatland) and only on trails that are clearly marked for snowmobile use only. I apologize if I come off as abrasive, but I get really damn sick of people condemning recreational activities (such as snowmobiling) with the high and mighty environmentalist attitude when they damage the environment in other ways. I'm also sorry if you're having problems with idiots riding on skiing only trails. Maybe you should try taking this up with a park ranger or local law enforcement. |
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" "I don't snow mobile or snow ski, too damn cold for me. I am an avid power boater. Your attitude is the same as fishermen vs. jet skiers, power boater vs. sail boats (sail boats always have the right of way, however) I'm just curious why one recreation or hobby is more important then another? I want your opinion and I'm not starting a flame war. Have you ever thought that you irritate the snow mobilers? Always in the way...Blah blah blah. My feeling on humanity is that some one can always find fault with what some else does. So in the words of the great Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?" The difference is that motored vehicles TAKE from the land, while walking or cross country skiing exudes a FAR LESS toll on the surroundings. Lets look at the facts: 1. Motors are very noisy 2. The wake from faster boats is LARGER 3. ATV's rip new trails if not used properly 4. 2 stroke engines are foul, antiquate designs, causing very bad air pollution. 1. Crosscountry skiers- NO noise, no impact 2. Fishermen in canoes- no wake, no noisy motor, no pollution If anyone can't see why MOTORS infringe on peoples enjoyment, you are clueless. Im not against motors, but please, wake up and acknowledge the facts. MOTORIZED ACTIVITIES infringe on others enjoyment. Hikers, canoers and cross country skiers DO NOT infringe on others enjoyment. |
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give up your rights. You have a voice, if someone is "...infringing..." on what you think is your enjoyment, understand that YOU are infringing on THEIR enjoyment. That is the problem with many so called environmentalist. NO comprimise. and the frankly is B__S___. You don't like the noise, ask nicely and they may move otherwise, hike your but 20 mile into the wilderness, where your alone, and leave the majority alone. cthompson: I do not particularly LIKE some of the snowmobiles and ATV's when they do dumb things like chase deer/elk and bother me while I am hunting. BUT I FULLY understand their right to "...life, liberty and the persuit of happiness...". Some people here cannot even tell me what document that came from. As long as you follow the rules with off-road or snow vehicles, that is ok with me. It is a VERY large and beautiful country out there that we all enjoy in many different ways. But if you do not follow the rules and are a threat to me, better take my Univ. of Smith and Wesson sticker seriously. Model 27's are rather accurate and can take out a tire at more distance than you may imagine. |
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lets see what spoog has to say on the enviornment: Tacoma vs Ranger I post #204 “Oh, that little supercharger allows me to beat mustangs off the line, and pass many cars on the highway. You should see the look on the mustang drivers faces when a pickup blows by them. Or, better yet, the foolish Ranger drivers who see my black beauty parked at the light next to them, and try to race me. Muhahahahahahaha! Imagine that! They cant EVEN come close to me, I mean, I outrun them so fast it is funny.” Real friendly to MY enviornment, the highway. |
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but I agree! Tacoma vs Ranger I #467 "I AGREE that the RANGER is a BETTER VALUE. Ok? There, I said it. I am tired of all this useless bickering and stat-ignoring. ' FOR THE MONEY< THE RANGER IS A BETTER VALUE. IT ALSO HAS A MORE COMFY INTERIOR AND IT LOOKS BETTER TO ME ON THE INSIDE." |
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in your image spoog BUT, Not everyone has the ability to crosscounty ski or canoe a lake. Some see the great outdoors in power boats, snow mobiles and Rangers and Tacomas. You have NO right to deny them access just because you do not agree. Do not turn around too slow spoog, your Tacoma just may be on a hit list as being dangerious to the environment and be listed on some executive order somewhere. BTW I feel fortunate to have grown up at a time where I could and did own, without government restrictions, a 69 Coronet 500, 383CID with 345 hp v8 that would rip the paint off that fancy Tacoma of yours as it passed it by. Those were the days. Sorry for you that you missed those days. It was a heck of a decade,. . . Also, BTW, my Ranger emissions puts out water, a small bit of C02 and cleaner air than it take into the intake. |
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in regard to canoing, every canoe Lake Powell? Know where Lake Powell is and how big it is? Try Southern Utah and Northern Az, and maybe 1000 mile of shoreline under 110 degree, if your lucky, heat. Want to canoe that? Be realistic spoog, not everyone thinks like you. |
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in regard to canoing, ever canoe Lake Powell? Know where Lake Powell is and how big it is? Try Southern Utah and Northern Az, and maybe 1000 mile of shoreline under 110 degree, if your lucky, heat. Want to canoe that? Be realistic spoog, not everyone thinks like you. |
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Better get that Electric Tacoma . Muhahahahah. 1. Motors are very noisy........sometimes. 2.The wakes from faster boats is larger......My 100 mph tunnel boat has a very small wake. barely in the water when it's packing air. 3. ATV's rip new trails when not used properly......OK, and inconsiderate hikers leave their $h!t behind too. I see,.. all non-motorized users of our land are perfect. 4. 2 stroke...blah blah blah... don't know about snow mobiles but personal watercraft are starting to run converters and out boards are going to 4 strokes and fuel injected 2 strokes. Spoog, get off your high horse. You race on the street(thanx cpousner) you put a super charger on your truck that uses more fuel when under boost and therefore pollutes more and given your past you'll most likely repeat this same argument 500 times this month. |
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in regard to canoing, ever canoe Lake Powell? Know where Lake Powell is and how big it is? Try Southern Utah and Northern Az, and maybe 1000 mile of shoreline under 110 degree, if your lucky, heat. Want to canoe that? Be realistic spoog, not everyone thinks like you. |
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