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\\But I do not think, like in the case of Al Unser, who was fined 10K when he got lost and crossed over onto Wilderness area while trying to get back to the approved trail, that people should be hammered for making a slight mistake\\ Al Unser is an idiot, and should have been fined more than that. HE EVEN had the gall to file a lawsuit against the NAtional Forest. THEN he went before congress with Ted "wild and free" Nugent, claiming that wilderness areas should be opened up with roads. For the record, Unser was REPEATEDLY warned by the Ranger in the South San Juan wilderness to "not go in there". Unser responded at one time, " I can go in there anytime I want, and you can't catch me!". So, he and his buddy decided to rip through the non-motorzed wilderness on their sleds. Low and behold, he got stuck, and was lost in the wilderness. He walked out, luckily. The Rangers found his sled deep within the wilderness boundary, and so he was fined. Unser is an idiot. There ar eplaces motors don't belong. And car racing stinks in general. What a boring sport, and what a waste of gas. |
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I as a backcountry skier HATE the Snowmobile. It is becuase of the irresponsible approach to the sport.. on known cross country trails they shoot around at 30 mph.. thats like driving on the sidewalk for all us people on foot... Most have little to NO avalanch training making it UNSAFE for all of us that do.. And the Popular act of "highmarking" has led to many avalanches endagering all on the mountain. Not to mention the air and noise polution that a 2 stroke engine puts out.. |
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| I don't snow mobile or snow ski, too damn cold for me. I am an avid power boater. Your attitude is the same as fishermen vs. jet skiers, power boater vs. sail boats (sail boats always have the right of way, however) I'm just curious why one recreation or hobby is more important then another? I want your opinion and I'm not starting a flame war. Have you ever thought that you irritate the snow mobilers? Always in the way...Blah blah blah. My feeling on humanity is that some one can always find fault with what some else does. So in the words of the great Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?" | |
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spoog says: "...And car racing stinks in general. What a boring sport, and what a waste of gas." Oh but street racing, which you brag about often is ok, right? Post your supporting data regarding Unser otherwise it is your OPINION. In regard to NASCAR racing, it is a sport/skill that causes much less damage to the environment than racing thru mudded Ill. cow pastures. . . So much built up hate, spoog. No I do not disagree with you or scottsss that snowmobiles should not have freerun in the forests. However, my point was this. On one case you have a guy crossing into restricted areas getting fined 10K, you have another case of a guy ordering a controlled burn in 70mph windy conditions resulting in hundreds of houses and thousands of acres of virgin timber getting burned down receiving no fine and allowed to retire. BOTH could be considered idiots. My own opinion, ATV's, snow mobiles, 4 wheel drive vehicles, etc should be used responsibly. I have NO concern if someone uses one to go tend thier cattle who are starving in a huge blizzard, they are doing work that is much harder then my job, or even if they use them for recreation. I, unlike some, willingly SHARE the natural wonders of this land, rather than locking them up for the use of just the few. I would like to do a survey sometime on the ACTUAL use numbers on the Wilderness areas. I would suspect the number of visitors to them is very, very low. The end result is to cram more 4 wheel drive vehicles in smaller areas, doing more damage to those areas. |
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Got the truck back yesterday. Looks great! xena1: Will be hitting the trails this weekend checking out the Westcliffe area. Winch should be here in a few days. Got the Ramsey REP 8000, Class III hitch platform and roller fairline adaptor for about half the cost of buying it in town. Looking to put on a front hitch next weekend and test out the winch. As long as there is a tree 90 ft away, the Ranger will go anywhere. Anyone have experience with anchors for winching? Looks like a shovel, you bury it in the ground as a winch point? Oh, BTW, the Ranger has the areas under the rear seats for storage of the winch accessories plus my tool kits, tow strap, gloves, straps, spare parts, etc. Where would you store that kind of stuff on a Tacoma? |
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Whoa! this room has roared back to life. The weather is beautiful up here in the NW. After all that rain, it really pays off. Lakes are clear, rivers running clear, air is clear. From a point I go to on MT Hood, I can see MT Rainer, MT ST Helens, and the 3 Sisters, and MT Jefferson! Took my girls up too and they enjoy going up into the Cascades and just looking around. Its a shame a few have to ruin it for the many. I never, ever go off trail or path that hasn't been established or is obviously being used. Once in a while I see some young alpha males trying to do something stupid or make their own trails.. It really makes my adrenalin levels go up. In the future I really see the areas in which I can explore being severly limited.. Its just a matter of time. CP, the answer your going to get from a Toyota owner is, "Tacoma's can't get stuck, nor ever get flat tires". LOL!! |
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| There are two storage compartments in the x-cab where I keep a tool set, tow strap, bungy cords, etc. | |
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Vince - A few years back, my wife and I spent about a week in Bend, OR. Beautiful country. Enjoyed it very much. Man, they make good beer up there!!! Cpousnr - Glad to hear about your truck. 2 weeks until I head up to Westcliffe. Can't wait! I was sorry to hear about the fires. When I drive from Westcliffe to Louisville, I always take US 285. That goes right through the affected area. I wonder if that route will be accessible by July 4th? |
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| 285 should be fully opened by then. My boss' mom lives up there (her house has been spared so far) and they told her they estimate that she can go back home around the 25th of June. Only an estimate, but the cooler weather and lighter winds lately are definitely helping out. | |
| Thanks for the info. Appreciate it... | |
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