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Before we go TOO far afield.... let me say that MAN is the ULTIMATE predator.... I was raised to eat what you shoot/catch, the exception being "pests" such as groundhogs, mice, rats, and now coyotes. The occasional predator will require "culling," they get old and lazy, and it is easier to kill a sheep or household pet than to bring down a deer. At that point it is time to remove the risk as small children may be next on the food chain. The major issue is DEER. In the east the problem is endemic. The deer have no natural predator save man (read AUTOMOBILE). But you can't harvest them sensibly (What? Shoot Bambi?) and so human lives are endangered so human sensibilities of a cartoon character need not be offended. A deer strike with a 97 Suburban did $3500+ in damages (a large buck!), had we been driving the 87 Cherokee or any normal sized sedan, the vehicle would have been totaled - with possible serious injuries. My Maryland county alone had 400+ deer strikes last year.... Nature WILL redress the balance.... Now.... back to Trucks.... Front Porch Philosopher SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host Hunter Fisherman RKBA Advocate Defense Conservative Social Liberal (from when it wasn't a term of derision) Fiscal Moderate.... |
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lol! I saw that epsiode as well. It was on TNN Redneck TV. I think it's called something like the "4x4 show". Two hosts with mild southern accents worked on that Dodge with the tracks. I too saw it mash and destroy everything in it's path. These yahoos were driving over unroaded streambeds, plants, shrubs and so forth. I could see if they were corssing a previous road into the stream, but this borderd on irresponsible. |
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meredith: I KNEW there was something I liked about you! Bet you chew too and support NRA too. . . spoog: I am sure there is no wood in your house, correct because if there is, it was logged and more than likely brought out on a Ford or International. Well, in Pine Colo, the only thing left, other than the rocks, bricks and burned out vehicles is the trees that were standing at the time of the fire. Burned badly but the only thing standing. If it is on the ground and is not real green or wet, it will burn. Want to talk to my coworker who just lost his $300,000 brand new log house or the 4 people across the street from him that also lost everything? For man and nature to exist together, there must be some form of management by man. Won't always work, but it has to be there. BTW, if that show was done on private land, it is none of your business what they do. |
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to be started in NM more than likely just before he sped off in his Tacoma TRD. Who is to be held responsible? If MY truck started a fire like that I know darn well I would be held responsible by the forest service. |
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| That's not the point and you know it. Regardless of where they filmed the show, it is irresponsible behavior and they are promoting it by airing the footage. People like that are going to get all of us kicked off a lot of public land if nothing is done about it. And if it was done on private land, they could have at least mentioned that it was private and to stay on established trails on public land. | |
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There is a LARGE undecided mainstream that determines who does what and when. I have always said that the offroaders WORST enemy is stupid offroaders, not left wing extremists. I STILL maintain that hunting's worst enemy is stupid "hunters", not PETA. Hunting and offroading kind of fall in with the same crowd..... It is about presenting the best possible image with those activities that keeps those privelages intact. Offroading is touchy, because what we do IMPACTS other people's enjoyment of the outdoors. People who enjoy hiking can't and don't infringe on our activities , nor do they distrub us in pursuit of those activities. But offroading has the potenetial to really screw up the land if done by idiots. This EFFECTS others who enjoy other activites in the outdoors. The activity of offroading sometimes TAKES from the land. THe activity of hunting TAKES from the land. The activity of hiking does not. The activity of bird watching does not. The activity of enjoying motro-free areas does not. The activities that have the potential to ruin others experiences and the ones that take from the land need to be done as responsibly as possible. Thats the price we pay for choosing activites that take. |
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"Population management," sounds nice since you are on the hunting end of the stick. Starvation by nature unless it is due to man's neglect and urbran sprawl. Then it would be the responsibilty of man protect nature. |
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Well, you are going to improve an already good platform? The Tacoma TRD needs none of that 
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True on both counts. Remember too that man is a predator (and a damn destructive one too, unfortunately). |
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Yes the worst enemy of an off-roader is an irresponsible off-roader. BUT and irresponsible hiker can be just as bad by: -Failure to follow posted trails. -Allowing their dogs to run free(Boulder just passed a law that man is their "guardian" not owner, kind of a weird attitude. -Irresponsible fire use, like NOT in an fire circle(heck I learned that in Scouts, an organization that some want to see disbanded. -Not taking out the trash hauled in. As long as 4 wheelers stay on the assigned roads, maintain the roads to allow good access, reducing the need to go off the beaten path, things will be ok. But I do not think, like in the case of Al Unser, who was fined 10K when he got lost and crossed over onto Wilderness area while trying to get back to the approved trail, that people should be hammered for making a slight mistake. Take the case of cross county skiers that OFTEN, WILLFULLY depart approve trails, cause sometimes deadly snow slides and force local rescue groups large sums of money to find them. And no fines are ever issued in those cases. Heck last year they had a group of people that went up over Guinella Pass, when it was reported that high winds and snow were coming into the area. The cost on that was 10K AND searching for them caused the officials to tramp through the tundra area, causing some damage too. So just do not jump on the loggers, guys trying to make a living and off-roader trying to enjoy a sport. The so called nature lovers, hikers, etc cause their share too. Again, if you believe it or not, nature does heal itself. Always has, always will. Show me a case that that has never happened and you cannot cite Exxon Valdes, Mt Pinatubo, Mt Etna, Mt St. Helens, or even the oil platforms (now ruled illegal, like them high gas prices?) off the CA coast. |
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