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Think of hunting as population management. With the demise of natural predators (wolves, bears, foxes, coyotes, etc...) caused by man, the population of various game animals ends up being controlled by starvation. Which would you consider better for an animal, a bullet or starvation? As a hunter, I also eat what I kill. Poaching and other detrimental actions to the environment are looked down on by the general hunting community. Hunting usually goes hand in hand with conservation and the preservation of our wildlands. |
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| Get out and try one if you get the chance. I got hooked. Now, I've got 5 for just my wife and I. | |
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in that fire by Pine, Co. Just finished building a log house himself, except for the roof which he had done. They are saying it was lightning that started it either hitting a tree or the ground. spoog, I do not disagree with you regarding how fires spread, but, things on the ground that are combustable will burn. Additionally, to deny access allows existing trails to deteriorate. If, in the future, you HAVE to access that area for say fire fighting, the roads will not be there. I am reminded of two things, the fire in Mission Valley near San Diego 10 years ago and the the huge fire in Australia a few years back. In BOTH cases, government got involved and told people they could NOT clear out brush, small and or large dead trees etc. Had to save the golden tufted sap sucker rabbit (made that up, but it was true that it was to protect the environment). Well, a fire hit both places. Fueled by the dry dead trees/brush that the Governments would not let property owners clear, San Diego lost 120+ homes and just burned everything to the ground. Australia had a National Park and hundreds of homes go up in flames. Now fire in these places has it's good points. In the case of Australia, all the old gorwth had become rampant with desease, paracites, and were not faring well. Also, the fire released seeds that formed HEALTHY new growth forests providing cover and food for the returning animals. The earth HEALS, always has, always will. As long as when you are out there you follow a simple code of conduct, the environment is safe. Protect wilderness? YES, or coarse. But is it right to build MORE wilderness and upset/effect the lives of thousands/millions for no good reason? I enjoy going to the forest, looking at and yes, hunting to help manage the animal resourses. The choice of starvation or a bullet is easy one. I found a great code of conduct for off-roading and will try to get it to post here. |
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The wife said I can get a Ramsey 8000 winch for Fathers Day! On sale on line for $449.95. Gonna get some RS9000 shocks too. Same site has them "Buy 3 get one free." Slowly but surely improving on a currently very good platform. |
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today. The wrong glass came in. Getting it tomorrow. Scottsss, Standars is putting a glaze job on the truck for free. Shines BETTER than like a new penny, more like a mercury coated dime! They did, in my opinion, a great job on the truck. It will be down there if you want to shoot by tomorrow. A Platimum Supercab. Talk to Brad if you want to see an example of the work by looking at mine. |
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| I'm not a hunter myself but I respect you for that fact that you eat what you hunt. It really bothers me to see someone kill an animal and leave it to rot. We just had deer hunting resumed in Yosemite National Park because the deer population got so large that adequate food was not available and they were starving. The predators have been wiped out of a lot of areas, so I agree with you that hunting is certainly necessary to control animal populations. | |
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I too eat what I hunt/fish(with no apology to the catch and release crowd). However, all taking, for lack of a better word, of managed anamals has a purpose. Even if an over populated, very destructive species, such as the coyote, is left, scavengers get an easy meal and survive another day. The coyote is so destructive in this state the season runs 1/1-12/31, no bag limit. Same for the cute little prairie dogs who are very destructive to livestock and horses. You might disagree with that, which is your right howerver, that is the way it is. |
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The calcium of bones left in the field are used by many animals to get an intake of the mineral, poduce harder shelled eggs or any other number of reasons. BTW if you have ever seen a coyote run down an antelope, it is not pretty. Saw that once thanks to being able to cross a 2 mile set of field in my Ranger. |
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Thanks for the words of support. One area that I disagree with is hunting top-level predators and endangered species. I don't see the reason for hunting grizzlies, blackies, wolves, and various big cats. A large predator will range many 10s of square miles, and taking just a few of these animals can very easily rid an entire area of its population. |
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Before we go TOO far afield.... let me say that MAN is the ULTIMATE predator.... I was raised to eat what you shoot/catch, the exception being "pests" such as groundhogs, mice, rats, and now coyotes. The occasional predator will require "culling," they get old and lazy, and it is easier to kill a sheep or household pet than to bring down a deer. At that point it is time to remove the risk as small children may be next on the food chain. The major issue is DEER. In the east the problem is endemic. The deer have no natural predator save man (read AUTOMOBILE). But you can't harvest them sensibly (What? Shoot Bambi?) and so human lives are endangered so human sensibilities of a cartoon character need not be offended. A deer strike with a 97 Suburban did $3500+ in damages (a large buck!), had we been driving the 87 Cherokee or any normal sized sedan, the vehicle would have been totaled - with possible serious injuries. My Maryland county alone had 400+ deer strikes last year.... Nature WILL redress the balance.... Now.... back to Trucks.... Front Porch Philosopher SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host Hunter Fisherman RKBA Advocate Defense Conservative Social Liberal (from when it wasn't a term of derision) Fiscal Moderate.... |
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