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If 10,000 Y2K Toyota owners and 10,000 Y2K Chevy owners are sampled, the size is adequate to represent the overall populations and the sample sizes are the same. The percentages of satisfaction / dissatisfaction in both groups can then be compared without dealing with the different population sizes of Toyota and Chevy. JD Powers does a study on initial quality every year. Sample size is the same for each truck. If you've bought a truck recently you may have gotten their survey. I did in 1998. They ask how satisfied you are, etc. It is not an objective study, but that doesn't matter. What Kyle has been saying is that Tundra owners are more likely to regret their purchase than Chevy owners. Proving which truck is better, is exceedingly difficult or impossible; documenting the prevalence of opinions, such as "I like my truck", is very straight forward and JD Powers does it for us. |
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Yes, I was talking JD Powers. You were being reasonable in post 112, then you went right back to the rhetoric with the "I wish...." I really don't think many Tundra owners wish they had anything else. Why would I wish for any other truck, when I could just go buy one if I wanted to. I'm not blind, I realize that Chevy's have a lot of advantages and are nice trucks. If someone could guarantee that I wouldn't get one of those Monday morning trucks I would have considered it. As far as the Dodge comment, I don't regret buying that truck (other than the lack of 4 doors). It was a JD Powers initial quality winner (suprise!). I had it for 50k miles and it was almost flawless. |
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In response to post #109, that's what a bedliner is for! For what it's worth, I've been paying attention in the tundrasolutions forum, and I have yet to hear about a Tundra owner that does not like their truck. Even the ones that have problems still wouldn't part with it, no matter what. |
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daggett: you are not reading me correctly. i'll say this again. i'm not saying that Tundra owners are more likely to regret their purchase than Chevy owners. i'm saying you're...oh forget it. if you haven't picked up on it yet, there's no use beating this horse. i'm glad you like your dakota. lastly, to answer your question, no i will not bet you that any vehicle has a better rating than any other vehicle based off of what jd power and associates says. why? cuz my truck does exactly what i want it to do for me and yours does what you want for you. so frankly, i'm tiring of this back and forth...blah blah blah. rooster: i know that's what a bedliner is for. in your earlier post you said you would never strain your truck. you sound like the kind of person who would buy a truck and never use it for its intended purpose: work. rationalization of tundra owners: 1. i got my truck because it beats others in a drag race 2. i got my truck because, even though it's a new model, consumer reports says it's reliable so it must be so. 3. tow or haul? is that important in a pickup? i'll just get my dad's best friend's brother to bring his dodge ram 3500 cummins turbo-diesel if i want to haul anything more than 3,000 pounds 4. i got my truck cuz it rides much like a caddy. i just don't get the logic sigh... kyle |
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rooster. i've been following on many of the silverado boards. very seldom do you see someone pursue a buy-back. and very seldom do you see someone say...don't ever buy this truck. mostly, it's, man that was a pain in the ass, especially moving the dealer, but i still love this truck and don't regret my purchase at all. so that argument washes right out... kyle |
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Again, well put. I couldn't agree with your posts more. Most people that were caught with the new model trauma's, GM bought back all the vehicles they couldn't fix and most got pretty darn close to what the put out for the truck and within a few weeks. Ask those people what kind of truck they now drive. Almost all of them bought a newer model Silverado! Hmmmmmmmm! |
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Werking, when you say that a truck's primary purpose is for work, what exactly do you mean by that? Is it hauling materials at a lumber yard, contruction site, for a carpenter, etc. Is just towing or hauling anything considered work? How about someone that tows their stock car to the races every weekend when it's the season, is he using the truck for work, or for his hobby? This might sound stupid, but it's something to think about. I would definitely put a bedliner in, to keep the bed from getting scratched up, and I'm sure most people would do the same. My parents are leasing a '98 Chevy K1500 4x4 Extended Z71 with the 5.7L engine. We all know that this engine puts out 255 hp  4600 rpm and 330 ft-lbs of torque 2800 rpms. Now the new Silverado's 5.3L engine puts out 285 hp 5200 rpm and 325 ft-lbs torque 4000 rpm. Now, would the 5.7L engine be better at pulling and getting the trailer up to speed? Would the 5.3L have to run higher rpms to get the weight rolling?All my parents ever pull is a few times a year they pull 4-5 fourwheelers on the double axle trailer. All together, the weight is about 4000 pounds, figured very high. It pulls this no problem. At least once a year, it has to pull that weight about 250 miles or so. The second thing they pull is a tractor to the tractor pulls twice a year. The tractor weighs 4 ton, plus the trailer. It pulls that good also, just have to give it time to get it up to speed. That is basically all they ever tow with it, all the rest of the time the truck is used as a car, for going to work and going to the store and getting groceries and stuff. Now the Tundra is rated to tow more than my parent's truck. I'm sure when they rate the towing capacity, they rate it based on how much weight the brakes can handle, and not on towing power. And I think that's what a lot of people need a truck for, is to haul or tow things occasionally. And the rest of the time they use it as just transportation. Now who wouldn't want a carlike ride when you're going to the grocery store? Fact is, if I needed a farm truck, I would get a heavy duty one, probably one of those cool GM Heavy Duties with the Duramax diesel. But I wouldn't buy a Tundra to pull full chopper wagons and loads of hay. |
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went by the local toyota dealer last night. two reasons...wanted to park my silverado next to a tundra. yep, silverado just looks bigger and badder next to tundra. interesting note #1: the tundra's bed is like, seriously, half as deep as the silverado. anyone know anything about this? second reason: my wife likes the forerunner. interesting note #2: one of the toyota truck salesmen came over when i parked my 'rado next to the tundra and he had a big smile on his face. told me when he bought his new truck he did the same thing. he drives a '99 silverado. imagine that... kyle |
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Tundra is the only one with a recall - lies, damn lies and statistics, you can make them say whatever you like. Oh and incidentally, I don't care - I don't own Tundra, Silverado or F150 and I don't read CR. |
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I did not know Driveline Vibration, Crankshaft, Fuel throttle control, electric systems was cosmetic HMMMM. I just wanted people to be aware. Did not mean to jump on anyone. Does not specify only a few trucks but ones with certain engines etc. |
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