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"I will never find out which can pull the maximum amount of weight, and which can get it up to speed the quickest, cause I won't put a truck through that, not mine at least!" You validate a good point with the above statement. The big three owners buy their trucks to haul and tow the most they can. Most big three owners make the "work" capability the highest priority. This is what makes the big three trucks "still" the superior truck for what a truck is purposed for. The only real arguement the Tundra owners keep bringing up is this crap of reliability advantage. When a Tundra tows as much, hauls as much, and does it as often or more often, with a so-called reliability advantage, THEN and ONLY THEN, will I consider the Tundra a true full size competitor. Yeah, reliability is a factor in any persons truck purchase. However, we all know that these trucks, when used as they are intended, are going to break. Laws of Physics can be relied on. If the Tundra doesn't serve the purpose that the buyer needs, who cares how reliable it is? I would rather go through 3 engines and 3 transmissions to 1 each on a Tundra. I know the big three has a truck for every purpose and ALL of them are much more capable than a Tundra. I just happen to be lucky. The Silverado happens to be more capable AND reliable..... 
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| Tundra Tantrums or TT for short. It be a strange ailment that tundra folks be sufferin from. Symptons be rantin and ravin on how them little trucks be just as big and strong and fast and reliable as them big3 ones. A sad sickness, where the only cure be movin on up to a big3 truck now. Course most of them tundra folks be stuck in them famous toyota 7 year leases, so there be no short term cure in sight. Very sad indeed. Good luck on this one now! | |
| The Toyota 4.7 will not outrun, as in racing, EITHER the Ford 5.4 or Chevy 5.3 IF the trucks are geared the same. In all the tests where the Toy was quicker, it also had 3.92 gears and the Ford and Chevy both had 3.55's. I can get a Ford I-6 to outrun a V-8 if I put enough gears in it. Any independent tests that have equal, or even close to equal gearing will show the Ford's AND Chevy's are quicker. Not that I'm out racing my truck, anyway. I have my Mustang for that. | |
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rooster, i'm surprised to hear you'll put a four-wheeler in the bed of your truck. aren't you scared you might scratch the paint back there? god forbid you might use it as a pickup truck. kyle |
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still waiting to hear how much $ you want to put up on a wager about satisfaction among truck owners. If your excuse was the 1999 Chevy was a first year model, you should be ready to jump at the chance to bet against the 2000 Tundras. Do you really believe that Tundra owners feel they made a mistake with their purchase more frequently than Chevy owners? If so, lets bet. |
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| as the sample size of the Tundra owners and the length of time owned would be too small to accurately determine if current owners made a mistake with their purchase. At the current production level, it may take upwards of five years to have an adequated sample size. In the same respect, by sheer number of units sold, you would find more satisfied Silverado owners than Tundra. Just my opinion... | |
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funny, i was about to say the same thing... i didn't dignify that offer with a response because there's no way to accurately measure who's pleased or disappointed with their purchase unless you work for jd power and associates or something. like i said before, i'm not able to speak for others, my truck has been flawless. additionally, it's an exercise in futility to do a reliability survey when the vehicles haven't even been on the road for a year. anyways, i'm sure it would not take you very long to poll the ten guys who have purchased tundras to see if they're pleased. it might take you slightly longer to poll the well over 10,000 newer model silverado owners out there. do i think tundra owners feel they made a mistake with their purchase more frequently than chevy owners? i don't believe that's what i said. i believe what i said was that you'd feel inferior at a stop light next to a truck from the big three. slight difference yes...but the answer to the other question hinges on whether or not your truck was built on a day after the workers' favorite team lost, or on a monday, or anything else. that is something that any brand of vehicle is subject to... kyle |
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| by the way, you're a pretty big talker for someone toting around a '98 dakota. you must be another one of those guys with your hands clasped and eyes closed whispering, "i wish i had a full-sized truck...i wish i had a full-sized truck...i wish i had a full-sized truck..." a piece of advice: when you're ready to take the next step, don't disappoint yourself. spend less money, get more truck. get a silverado... | |
| If you want to spend even less money and get even more truck, get a Ford!! LOL!!!! | |
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If 10,000 Y2K Toyota owners and 10,000 Y2K Chevy owners are sampled, the size is adequate to represent the overall populations and the sample sizes are the same. The percentages of satisfaction / dissatisfaction in both groups can then be compared without dealing with the different population sizes of Toyota and Chevy. JD Powers does a study on initial quality every year. Sample size is the same for each truck. If you've bought a truck recently you may have gotten their survey. I did in 1998. They ask how satisfied you are, etc. It is not an objective study, but that doesn't matter. What Kyle has been saying is that Tundra owners are more likely to regret their purchase than Chevy owners. Proving which truck is better, is exceedingly difficult or impossible; documenting the prevalence of opinions, such as "I like my truck", is very straight forward and JD Powers does it for us. |
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