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| I have to add that before you look at the hp and torques of both, you should race one at a stop and go lights or something. The Tundra's 4.7L I-Force can easily beat Chevy's 4.8L engine, and I know the '99 it could take by a hair, but the 2000's have more power, so I think they would be either equal or the Chevy would be a hair faster. Now no bad mouthing, I like Chevrolet. | |
| I'm not bitter about anything. Look at Toyota's marketing strategy. Lexus Derived engine, cushy ride on a pickup? Fastest truck on the market? They are marketing the tundra to recreational users. It is more luxurious and carlike than other trucks because it is designed to attract those who want a comfortable vehicle for occassional light hauling. ITs capacity does not equal those of the other trucks. The domestics on the other hand can be optioned out as light duty personal use vehicles OR HEAVY DUTY work trucks with bigger engines and more strength and power. The domestics are likely to be used for the heaviest tasks. So it isn't fair to compare for instance all Silverados, including V6 1500's used as a second vehicle and occassional errand runhner along with 2500's that regularly tow and haul, to Tundras, One of which I have yet to see at a work cite. | |
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robbie - i gotta go with ed on his statements. that is also, my primary argument. tundra just does not belong in the same class as any of the big three. and if you want to boost the biggest tundra against the smallest, older chevy, maybe we'll pull the 6.0 L 3/4 ton silverado long bed out. sh*t, you could prob'ly park a tundra in the bed of one of those. face it, with the 4.7L being the biggest engine they offer, you can brag on how fast and comfy and blah blah blah it is. it's NOT a work truck. comparing the tundra to the the base silverado is like me tying one arm behind my back to wrestle with my little brother. you gotta do it to be fair. put a couple hairs on it's chest and tundra may eventually become a real grown up truck... kyle |
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From the Chevy Brochure... Max towing for the 2000 Chevy, 4.8L, with Auto transmission is 8500 (If I remember right). In fine print it says that this is for a single cab - the extended cab tows less please see dealer for details. I don't want to start comparing Toy 4.7 vs. Chevy 4.8 vs the 5.3 to see what is the "appropriate" comparison. Chevy has more options, including a bigger engine. Chevy does have a higer tow rating. I would argue, however, that if you're going to be hauling 9400lbs, you should be getting a 3/4 ton - not comparing Chevy 1500s vs. Toyota. I think Edharri3 is right, Toyota is aiming for recreational users. Cause that's who is buying the majority of 1/2 ton pickups. For my purposes (towing 3000 lb boat, hauling hunting/fishing/camping gear, dogs, light construction materials) the Toyota will handle the job and will hopefully be more reliable than the Chevy or Ford. If I was buying a truck to tow about 10,000 lbs, haul concrete blocks, etc I'd get a Ford Super Duty. |
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there's a lot of room between a 3000 lb bass boat, and 10,000 lb of brick. almost as much room as there is in the extended cab of the silverado. almost. if the tundra does end up being more reliable than the chevy/ford/dodge, then kudos for tundra owners. but you're paying for it. you pay as much for less truck as a comparably equipped chevy. i just wish folks would stop calling the tundra a full size truck. sure, it's got an eight cylinder and a big price tag...but that's it. group it in with the dodge dakota...a midsize. that's all it is... kyle |
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My '99 1500 1/2 ton long bed 4x4 has a payload of 2035 lbs. Of course, I didn't buy it for speed or acceleration, but I think it is at least as quick, possibly quicker up to about 30-40 mph, than Tundra. I've run side by side comparisons, and also driven my friend's Tundra. I wrote about them at http://members.aol.com/sturbridg1/utahtrek.html for those unfamiliar. But they are very close, feel very similar. Both shift at exactly 5200 rpm. The 2000 GM's I believe shift at 5600 rpm, having a 285 hp 5.3L available. The Ford Lightning blows either away, and if you need this much speed anyway, you should be driving a pony car. |
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| Ya got that one right for sure. Best not do that compare between them tundras and the big3 now. Them that does be feelin foolish for sure. Tundra=less truck for more buck. Good luck on this one now! | |
| I just want to add to my first post, that I left out that the '99 5.3L it could take by a hair, and the 2000's have more power. I forgot to mention the "5.3L". Keep in mind that the price varies a lot on the Tundra. Go to an auto site and price a Silverado LT, Ford F-150 Lariat, Tundra Limited, and Dodge Ram SLT, you'll see that the Toyota is very competitive. When I did the comparison in prices, I didn't add anything, and found that the Tundra was a few thousand cheaper than the others. Also, if you find the right dealership, usually the big Toyota dealers, you should be able to get a Tundra for the same price as any other truck or cheaper. | |
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rooster9 said: Go to an auto site and price a Silverado LT, Ford F-150 Lariat, Tundra Limited, and Dodge Ram SLT, you'll see that the Toyota is very competitive. ------------------------------------------------- pricewise tundra may be "competetive". which is sick, cuz you don't get near the truck. i can't talk to the lariat and ram, cuz i haven't checked them out yet. but the silverado LT comes standard with the 5.3 L engine that simply blows the tundra out of the water. here are the applicable stats (straight from edmunds). i'm not even going to talk about interior room cuz that wouldn't be fair. "top of the line" silverado 1500 ext cab, LT msrp: $31,750 max cargo: 1779 lb max towing: 9400 lb gas mileage: 15/18 "top of the line" tundra, access cab 4wd, limited msrp: $28,430 max cargo: 1406 lb max towing: 7100 lb gas mileage: 14/17 better gas mileage and 2300 extra pounds trailering capacity. hmmm, yeah, that's an extra ton and then some. as for the extra $3k on the price tag, i think that can be chalked up to the 6-way power, 2 memory, heated, leather seats standard in the silverado, which, if deleted for the comparable cloth seats in the tundra limited, make the price difference fairly negligible. which brings us back to the fact that, for the same price, you get much LESS truck with the tundra. next, tundra backers will cry out how much more reliable their trucks are/will be. we won't know for sure whether that's true or not for at least a year. and, as i've stated before, we may never be able to truly compare reliability for the simple fact that you're comparing apples and oranges. there will be many fewer tundras sold in the u.s. than each of the big three, because people buying the tundra want an suv that they can do a little work with. people buying the big three want a truck that they know they can use regularly as a work truck, yet still as an suv if they want to. the ratio of people owning tundras and using them as work trucks will always be less than those who own the big three and use them as work trucks. the big three make many variations of 1/2 ton pickups for many different jobs. toyota makes few variations of tundras because they were designed to hit on the suv crowd. tundra is not a full-size truck, and has a long way to go before it will be. i say again - group it with the dakota and nissan frontier...where it belongs. damn...i oughta start publishing this stuff in hardback...it's so long. kyle |
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| Tundra=less truck for more buck. Just use your eyes on this one. The facts be the facts on this one now. Good luck on this one now! | |
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