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Jan 01, 2000 (8:43 pm)
The V-10 does not have plug wires.
Both trucks will get up to speed plenty fast.
Who drives over 90mph except to see how fast the truck will go?
Trailer Life Magazine did a comparison of the 99 Ford V-10 vs the 99 Ford PSD. The breakeven analysis pretty much equaled what most of us on this and other sites have said....it depends. It's somewhere between 80,000 and 180,000 miles, depending on fuel costs and how much of your mileage is towing vs running empty.
As far as performance, the V-10 held it's own in the tow test, including some runs up 6%-7% grades. However, the test was pretty vague as to how big the trailers were and how extensive the tests were. The trailer looked to be in the 7,500-9,000 range. I got the feeling they just ran the two trucks on some different grades and a few flat out runs, but didn't do any kind of extended trips. I'd expect the PSD to do better towing a decent load on an extended trip through the mountains because of the torque advantage. It should also have a clear advantage at higher altitudes since gas engines lose anywhere from 4%-10% power for every 1000 miles in altitude, whereas the diesel won't lose power until about 10,000 feet. As for mpg, the PSD will get about 5-6 better running empty and 2-3 better towing.
The two main reasons I opted for the V-10 my or may not be real issues. One was the fear of potential big ticket maintenance and repair costs after I get past 100,000 miles. The other was concern over cold weather starts since I plan to do some winter camping. I had to give my neighbors diesel truck (Chevy 6.5L) a jump two days ago with my V-10. Neither of us plugged in and the temp dropped to about -10. My truck hadn't been started in over 36 hours, but cranked up. His wouldn't start after sitting out overnight. I think the newer diesels are better at cold weather starting, but I didn't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about it.
Jan 02, 2000 (12:28 am)
I forgot about the coil on plug arrangement, thanks. What's best has been beaten to death. I think the only time a diesel has an advantage is under full loads towing the majority of the time and racking up 30,000 miles + a year, otherwise the gas motor is a better all around , every day motor.
Jan 03, 2000 (6:12 am)
All rationalization aside, drive what you enjoy. My preference is diesel and others prefer gasoline. All the numbers in the world aren't going to change anybody's preference. Just drive and enjoy.
Jan 03, 2000 (8:13 am)
I agree 100%. But half(or even more) of the posts are trying to convince people of their slanted views(me included). Some people just do it in a more civil manner than others. I hope I'm in the former category. Enjoy your diesel, I do think they are excellent trucks.
Jan 03, 2000 (2:01 pm)
I have the Crew Cab, long bed, sorry I thought I had all the info included. CC is the only way to fly with Munchkins, and rodeo, hunting, Etc.
I would say the 5spd is a little notchy and has stayed that way for 18,000 miles I have on it. I still like it.
I have alot of friends that have the auto and love it.
And you can bet your tail end, that if I lived in Denver and dealt with traffic more than to visit relatives I would own the auto, rowing through a couple of traffic jams convinced me.
I don't think that the reliablity is much of a concern, not much difference when you really use the truck.
The only bit of advice that I will give that may start a tussle is:
Order the the cheapest tires you can and replace them as soon as the truck shows up, I have never been satisfied with the firestone truck tires.
I replaced mine the week I got my truck and have never thought about the tires again.
Sorry to all those who love the Firestones, just personal pref.
Jan 03, 2000 (5:02 pm)
I agree with the "drive what you like" philososphy unless you are towing heavy alot. I did a lot of contemplating the diesel vs gas engine before finally deciding on the V-10. I suspect the decision on the next truck will be just as difficult. In 4-6 years, Ford will have had their next generation PSD out, which is rumored to be a 6.0L with 305hp and 550 torque. At the same time, I suspect they will have made more advances with the gas engines (maybe a V-12?). Each change with the gas or diesel seems to provide more power, better mpg, lower maintenance costs and more longevity.
Jan 03, 2000 (8:38 pm)
Thanks for the info. There is a place in California that does a 4" lift with wheels and tires for under $3000 so your advice on the tires is appreciated and usually the first thing I do. I'm hoping to get a credit for the "brand new" tires. We'll see.
Jan 10, 2000 (6:47 am)
The smaller engine sort of scares me. I'm from the old school where "There ain't no substitute for cubes."
I have trouble thinking truck and overhead camshaft together.
Cubes and push rods forever!
Jan 10, 2000 (5:36 pm)
I think that overhead cam engines have gotten associated with high revving, low-torque, high-horsepower because they were mainly used for cars. The OHC allows for higher rpms and therefore higher horsepower (for a given torque), so manufacturers designed the cams and tuned the engines to do just that which allows them to claim high horsepower numbers in their brochures.
However, this doesn't mean that OHC engines have to be that way and Ford's OHC truck engines are a perfect example of what I mean. The Ford V8's torque comes on at a much lower rpm than either GM or Dodge, and it has the most torque of the big 3 (even though Dodge has the biggest displacement (I'm comparing the Ford's 5.4L, GM's 5.3L, and Dodge's 5.9L)). So in a way, there is a substitute for cubes, at least to a certain degree. The OHC allows for better control of the valve timing, and has less rotational inertia, hense more torque.
In short, if I were to show you the torque curves of each of the above mentioned V8s without telling you whose was whose, and then ask you to pick which one looks like the best engine for a hard working truck, I can almost guarantee that you'd pick the Ford.
I own a '98 GMC, by the way, so I'm not biased towards Ford, I just have to give credit where credit is due.
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Feb 14, 2000 (1:33 am)
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