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Nov 09, 1999 (10:39 pm)
I'll digress. Ford's have a sock on the fuel pump in the tank to keep large debris out. Mounted on the frame is a high pressure fuel filter down to 8?? microns to keep smaller debris out of the injectors. Just got off the phone to Integrity Dodge in Las Vegas and the service guy on the phone(Terry I think) said the gas Dodges are the same. Fords I know. The Dodge I called a dealer for whatever that is worth. I will also admit my statement on stock performance of the two diesels is based on magazine tests where the powerstroke always is quicker in the timed events. My friends Cummins was destroyed by my '85 460 a couple years back in an impromptu drag race. He loved his motor but traded the truck after 2 trannys, front end problems and not being able to keep brake pads from wearing out. All this in under 50,000 miles. Have heard the injector pump story on the Fords but it is warranted for 100,000 miles now. Anyway, glad you love your truck , sounds like a good one.
#9 of 68 Thanks ..... but
Nov 09, 1999 (11:07 pm)
I really appreciate the input from all of you. Now let me tell you of my own experiences. I now drive a 98 Quad cab 1500 5.9 and tow a 7000 lb fifth wheel with it. I also drive an ambulance for our local volunteer corp with a PS Ford in it. I can out accelerate that Ford with the 5.9 and the trailer in tow. I agree the PS is a strong engine compared to our older ambulance with the normally asperated Ford diesel, but it still will not out pull a strong gas engine. The only reason I'm asking for this input is because we are planning to buy a fifth wheel that is too heavy for my present truck. If that were not the case I would stick with what I have, it's a great truck with a great engine.
Nov 11, 1999 (6:57 pm)
I have said this before (and you're stuck with hearing it again), if you want the BEST engine for towing and hauling and can afford it, BUY THE CUMMINS. I guarantee you that you will be happy you did. Don't worry about break even points. That is not the point. The Cummins is just plain BETTER. Better mileage, range, torque, and dependability (this is both quantitative and a "feeling" thing with me and most other diesel owners). I "feel" a much higher degree of confidence listening to the diesel humm away effortlessly up hills, it's a feeling that the rig will just plain get you there. Once you have owned one, you will know what I am talking about.
The range can be a HUGE factor, depending on where you travel. If you go to isolated areas with that big trailer, the diesel will probably give you over 100 miles more range. In my part of the woods, nearly every service station not supplies diesel these days, too.
As far as accelleration, Wildman could have put it simpler, the newer Cummins has PLENTY of get up and go. The old ones were a little sluggish. But the new ones take off the line plenty fast to blow by anyone that isn't peeling out (really comfortable for passengers and tough to avoid "Exhibition of Speed" tickets). Highway passing accelleration is great too (I'm guessing better than the v-10 when towing the trailer, although I could be wrong). So how fast do you NEED to accellerate in a pickup anyway.
your comment about the diesel being worse for the environment is WRONG. First, the much higher efficiency of the diesel greatly reduces CO2 and Ozone emmissions. Secondly, the soot produced by diesels is heavy and falls to the ground quickly, where natural enzymes and other forces in nature quickly break it down to a benign state in the soil. Sure, it is more visible in the air, but that shows that the soot particles are large and heavy, and once they fall out of the air, you are no-longer breathing it. Sure, the diesels are louder and put out that soot, but when you are driving one, you are not exposed to it. Get out of the truck at McDonalds instead of using the drive-through (which you can't go through with a trailer anyway).
As for short range driving. I always hear people say the diesel is not good for short range driving. I understand all the engineering reasons for this theory. But in reality, I have seen no specific problems with standard everyday driving.
Your buddy's tranny/front end problems sound bad, but I have been around lots of Ram/Cummins, and have not seen any of these problems. Our old '89 Ram/Cummins did have crummy brakes, but no other problems. My dad's '97 Ram/Cummins (over 50,000 miles) has had no problems. Just goes to show that there are lemons out there, no matter how good the product is. But if someone is overly concerned by the tranny, wait until early 2000 when the Cummins is coupled with a new Allison tranny (if rumors are correct).
#11 of 68 Correction
Nov 11, 1999 (7:00 pm)
Sorry, I meant to say "In my part of the woods, nearly every service station now (not "not") supplies diesel these days, too."
Nov 11, 1999 (9:55 pm)
We all have our needs and wants for diesel vs V10. I have a V10 on order for the following reasons. One, I don't plan on keeping my new Dodge (if it ever arrives) for more than three years, so the V10 will cost less overall. But do remember you get more for the diesel when it comes time to trade. Two, I make a lot of short little trips around town that don't hardly get the engine warmed up. Grocery and bank are within 1/2 mile. This is not sutible for the diesel and isn't the greatest for a gas either, but the gas I feel is better for this. Also I don't have to tunr off the gas engine to be heard at the drive thru for banks and fast food. Three, I have talked to both diesel and V10 owners at many campgrounds around the country and they seem equally please with the towing of their engines. so thats a wash to me. It doesn't matter to me that the diesel has a greater range as I don't drive more than 150 miles between pit stops. Just saw on the news today that the average person stops every 158 miles so I guess I'm not alone. Four, the diesel is not as quiet as some say. Its not tolerable if you enjoy talking to your partner or lisening to music. The Ford Powerstroke is tolerable to me, barely. Its interesting that the new cummins big truck engines seem more quiet than the one's Dodge uses. So bottom line it comes down to what's important to the individual and how you will use your truck. My current 5th wheel is small enough for the 5.9 engine but I want extra capacity to get a bigger 5th wheel if we choose. ..... Rich
Nov 12, 1999 (4:55 pm)
Your reasoning for the V-10 sounds good enough to me, in your case. I hope it works out great.
I do have to say, however, that you are just plain WRONG about the noise of the diesel noise in the Cummins. I have done plenty of driving in a '97 Ram/Cummins. Have had NO problem talking or listening to music (although, really I mainly listen to news radio). You have to remember that the Ram has very good insulation that muffles the engine noise to a subtle background rumble. Just enought to let you monitor the engine with your ears and give you the constant confidence that all is well under the hood. I can't see how you could have any experience in one of the current Ram/Cummins if you say that the noise is so bad you can't converse or listen to music. The older models were definitely worse (I had an '89).
Outside the truck, or with the windows down, I will admit, now that is a different story. Not a big deal to me, though.
Nov 12, 1999 (11:49 pm)
I must say I only drove one 1999 cummins diesel. Perhaps it was worse than normal. But in anycase it was a problem for me. It reminded me of when I was younger and had glass packs on my GTO. I loved it. But after a while it got old. Thats how I think the cummins would be for me. Fine for a few months but then.... By the way, I was in the small town of Severy Kansas this afternoon getting a tractor tire repaired. Of the 20 odd farm trucks that rumbled by, 80% were Dodge Cummins. Mostly stick shift. Mostly one tons.
#15 of 68 Farm/Ranch
Nov 13, 1999 (1:35 am)
Up here in the farm/ranch country of Eastern Oregon, Ram/Cummins far out number the Dodge pickup share nationwide. I work with farmers and ranchers, and it seems in this area about 1/3 to 1/2 of the pickups on farms and ranches are Ram/Cummins. Chevy seems to be next, and Ford third. I think the Cummins is the favorite of the Diesel guys and the Chevy is the favorite of the gas guys. You won't find a single Tundra on a farm or ranch around here.
#16 of 68 Diesel pollution
Nov 13, 1999 (3:25 am)
We were in San Pedro Sula, Honduras a couple of years ago and that's where I fell in love with the Dodge/Cummins. My niece married a Honduran cattle rancher whose whole operation had switched
from ford power strokes to Dodge Cummins, and they could not have been happier. The conditions in Honduras are extremely tough on vehicles and I was told the Fords were junk before 100K while the Dodges were just like new after 250K. We rode all over the country in one of those trucks and it was a joy to ride in.
San Pedro Sula is in a valley surrounded by mountains, Kinda like Phoenix, and in the morning the skies are clear but by mid afternoon there is a black haze over the entire city and you can't even see the mountains. This is because almost every truck or car in Honduras is a diesel. The black diesel dust is everywhere, and you can't sit down without getting it on you. So the agrument that diesels don't pollute doesn't hold water.
I still like that Cummins though. Uhh, Uhh, Uhh.
#17 of 68 Diesel is better
Nov 13, 1999 (11:13 am)
As an owner of a diesel then a V-10 and now a diesel again I can honestly say that if you are going to be towing or making long trips or even short trips that the diesel is an easy winner hands down. I own a 26 foot boat and the diesel will pull it up mountain passes just as fast as you want to go. The V-10 on the other hand starts to shift down grunt groan rev high enough to scare a nascar driver and oh yeah drain the gas tank. I got between 5 and 7 mpg towing the boat with the V-10 thats not good in any way especialy since I tow the boat 700 miles round trip. The diesel on the other hand gets 14-16 mpg and it doesnt sound like it is going to scatter. Those people who say a diesel is louder than a gas engine well its true unloaded but sit in the cab of a truck with a V-10 3500 rpm and tell me whats louder.
You people who are talking about acceleration between V-10 and diesel, what does it matter out of all the 3/4 ton trucks I have owned I have never wanted to drag race one of them no matter how hard you try 75% of the vehicles out there will out accelerate a nearly 6000# truck.