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Dec 28, 1998 (4:19 am)
The load you're moving has nothing to do with the engine - weight is carried by the chassis and the suspension. There are plenty of trucks that can outrun your rig with the same load. A Ram/Cummins or a Ford/Powerstroke would be in the next county.
Dec 28, 1998 (4:22 am)
where did you find the diesel sales numbers KCram, i've been curious to see those?
i've seen quite a few different 6.5's in use, and all in all, they've done the job. No, they definitely don't run like a PS, they don't have the mileage of the Cummins, but it is more powerful than most other motors. my father's work truck is a 3500-HD with the 6.5. the truck weighs 13000 empty. have pulled, on several occaisions, a 25 ft Load King, with Cat D-6 on back, comes out to over 20,000 #'s being pulled. the truck handled it easliy, and the engine pulled it flawlessly. slowly of course, but with overload like that, you don't try to go fast anyway. anyway, the engine will do the job. the 6.5's have had lots of random problems.
they just haven't been reliable. the 6.5's i've seen that have avoided problems--have been damn good motors.
My dad's truck has been a good one. he just recieved a new one, ordererd it for business reasons, and as soon as he took delivery of the new one (with a 454), the diesel blew a head gasket. they just haven't been reliable engines.
Dec 28, 1998 (7:09 pm)
I used to have the website bookmarked that showed the sales figures, but I have misplaxced it - gimme a few and I'll dig it up.
Dec 28, 1998 (10:20 pm)
I owned an 86 Isuzu Trooper with their turbo diesel. Broke a rod and beat up the crank at 41,000. Had to fight Isuzu for any help.....
My crappy 7.3L ford went 170,000 miles with very little problems.
I would never buy anything that Isuzu made, sold or designed.
Buy a cummins dodge. Or buy gas
Dec 28, 1998 (11:42 pm)
interesting, actually i'm surprised a little by the numbers. i don't think GMs SUVs and vans sell many diesels, mainly cuz i've only seen one or two diesel suburbans over the past 4 years, and never have seen a van. I would say GM diesel truck sales are about 3 or 4k behind Dodge.
i don't think the percentage means a whole lot, but lets please not get in a discussion about important meaningful statistics---that could be an oxymoron,
Dec 29, 1998 (2:14 am)
I only posted the percentages because it shows how many of the average truck buyer are interested in that company's diesel offering. If sales were equal, Dodge would clearly be the diesel leader. GM buyers on the other hand, buy all those pickups, but stay away from the 6.5
Dec 29, 1998 (5:13 am)
is that really the way it works? you're saying that people:
1) pick out a brand of truck, then
2) decide on an engine
I'm saying that people
1) pick out the engine they need , then
2) pick out the brand of truck
my way says the percentage is a meaningless number. divide actual one-tons up, you'll see dodge and chevy sell close to the same; then look at half tons, and you'll see chevy sells a crap load more half tons than dodge. but do all these half tons chevy's (which compromise the greater part of GM's sales number) compete with the diesel? No.
that percentage compares people who buy a shortbed with v6 to people who buy one ton crewcab diesels. thats why i say its not a good measure. look at what you did, you made me talk stats...
Dec 29, 1998 (6:03 pm)
oops, sorry - I know you hate that...
I agree with you in that it is overall numbers which include all models of a truck. But remember this - the GM half tons are the only trucks that offer a diesel. So while Ford and Dodge only offer theirs on HD 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, the GM 6.5 is available across the board in all their trucks.
Without talking stats and percentages, you still have to wonder why GM can't sell more oil-buners than Dodge, unless their engine IS that inferior.
Dec 31, 1998 (6:10 am)
The company I work for was died-in-the-wool GM truck users. They even invested in the GM diesels. But after having their trucks in the shop more than on the jobsite, they went to Ford. Why Ford over Dodge? Availability of one year old trucks with diesels. They are looking at the new F-4/550 so they can get crew cabs. They bought a 3/4 ton Suburban full blown everything with 4x4 and 454 cu engine and it's (they tell me) a pile of junk, but they are stuck with it. It wanders all over the road and vibrates and GM can't fix it. We are all waiting to see what GM does with the Diesel.
Dec 31, 1998 (9:29 pm)
Kcram what do you think moves the chassis down the road.