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#478 of 487 powerisfun by unixgod
Dec 04, 1999 (12:46 am)
Man, this is a first. I am not too awful popular around here with my views, especially this particular topic area. So, thanks. I don't expect everyone to agree with all my opinions, just take them for what they are, opinions. When people respect my opinions, I find it easy to respect theirs. It's especially nice to find someone who actually even agrees with my opinion, however rare it may be.Take care.
#479 of 487 by Rocles
Dec 04, 1999 (3:46 am)
unix/ZBAD,I agree with you as well on the union issue. GASP!
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#481 of 487 I'll second that notion by swobig
Dec 04, 1999 (5:40 pm)
on the unions. As they say - great minds think a like...#482 of 487 no unions --bulls--- by jbishop3
Dec 05, 1999 (12:25 am)
you guys should work for a good company and then have it bought by Finns . They believe in a 2 - class system , the very rich and the poor worker ant . What all these foreigners could not win in war , they will win on the economic battlefront . I am not defending the autoworkers , just don't trash all unions because of them .#483 of 487 Down with unions!! by al2
Dec 05, 1999 (7:43 am)
I totally agree with many of the sentiments expressed here about unions. If we could just disband all unions and pay everyone a maximum of $7 an hour,what a great continent we would have. Mind you, the anti-union people would have to pay $100,000 or more for their trucks because GM or Ford would only produce 100,000 or fewer units at a much higher (astronomical) cost. Why? Well, if workers in North America are not well paid, who will buy the millions of vehicles produced now? Mexicans? Third world consumers?We are all better off in the U.S and Canada because of what unions have won for their members and, for that matter, non-union workers as well. The only reason non-union plants pay as much as do is simply because their workers would unionize in order to get a decent living.
Do our vehicles cost so much or are built so badly at times because of the greed and sloth of the workers in the plant? Where is the greed of management and stockholders in this equation? Have you not heard of automakers balancing the cost of a 10 cent part against the cost of a few lives on our highways? It seems to me that labour and management must take equal credit and equal blame for what is produced for our consumer-driven society.
I may sound like a longwinded union apologist, but far from it. I just could not stand the drivel of some of the recent posts that take the attitude that they will be better off if only everybody else in this country gets less than they themselves want. I think its called "I'm alright, Jack . . .".
#484 of 487 Front Porch Philosopher by meredith
Dec 05, 1999 (3:40 pm)
This is a TRUCK forum....let's leave the pro/anti union politics at the door. Thanks.
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#485 of 487 WOW, what a can of worms that opened by swobig
Dec 05, 1999 (3:49 pm)
some are good, some are bad.Hey, has anyone seen that new Cadillac truck yet? Saw it in Motor Trend and it looked a little wierd...
#486 of 487 by cdean
Dec 05, 1999 (5:24 pm)
Brutus,I think GM will sell quite a of the half tons with the 4.10. the reason why: there's no penalty for the higher ratio. the GM engines aren't getting any worse fuel mileage. many dodge and ford folks don't like the torque curve of the new Vortec engines, but facts are they do pull like a demon (look at several towing test times) and they get substantially better fuel mileage. So if you get a half ton with a higher tow rating, better power, AND better mileage than Ford or Dodge offers, then mechanically the choice is easy. personal preferences aside.
its been posted several spots around here the GM's with the 4.10 getting almost identical mileage to those with 3.73.
kinda like your reasons current SD Ford vs GM c/k series. SD Ford has higher ratings, so you can't justify buying a GM for your needs.
#487 of 487 Front Porch Philosopher by meredith
Dec 06, 1999 (12:00 am)
In the interest of efficiency,this topic is being "split"....please continue these discussions in Silverado/Sierra vs F-150. Thanks.
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