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#1 of 46 HHEELLPP
Jul 03, 1998 (10:49 pm)
Ive decieded to buy a new one ton deisel x-cab
dually. I just can't decied between Ford and Dodge.
I would be getting a five speed Dodge or a six
speed Ford. Anhy help is much appreciated.
Jul 04, 1998 (4:18 am)
They are both great trucks...drive them both and go with the one you like the best. The dodge will have a 6 speed very shortly also.
Jul 06, 1998 (3:07 am)
Navistar is much more powerful from a pulling standpoint -- the cummins runs out of RPMs to quickly. Further with Ford putting an intercooler on the motor it will be even more of a monster.
#4 of 46 cdean
Jul 06, 1998 (4:46 am)
the cummins are intercooled also, if i'm not mistaken. these two engines side by side on a dyno are practically identical, and it comes down to the individual gearing that ford or dodge does that makes the difference. only way to really tell is to go drive one.
Jul 06, 1998 (8:45 pm)
It's interesting that Ford needs 2 more cylinders and 1400 cc more displacement to compete with the Cummins. That's not a slam against the Power Stroke, just an observation.
Jul 07, 1998 (12:20 am)
The Cummins has a much longer stroke than the Navastar so it takes a little longer to wind up. Once it gets up some rpm it actually out performs the Navastar. The new 24V Cummins engine turns more RPM(3200) than the 12V(2700),and has a Peak torque of 460lbs from 1600 RPM and holds it through 2700 RPM. So at 2500 RPM you are getting maximum HP & torque.
The two are very close over all, and when they both have a six speed behind them and the same rear end ratio, it will be a toss up. Both diesels are great, and its a tuff choice. Its a no loose situation.
If you have never owned a diesel its will amaze you what awesome power they can deliver. Not tire smoking power, but pulling power. You have to experience it, it can't be explained.
#7 of 46 cdean
Jul 07, 1998 (5:42 am)
you're right, but oh, at what price?
#8 of 46 cdean
Jul 07, 1998 (5:43 am)
i was going to say, remember the diesels of old that were very cost effective to buy, and lasted forever, they just didn't have quite the horsepower they do now.
Jul 08, 1998 (1:54 am)
If the power war continues, and GM can jump in there somewhere, its exciting to think how far they can go. They are already capable of enough power to twist a pick up into a pretzel.
Jul 08, 1998 (6:20 am)
thats what kinda of scares me as my truck hits about midlife, and i start thinking what i will do within the next 5 or 6 years. to make a truck with that much power costs money, and costs even more money to make the truck able to handle all the power. for those of us who don't want it all, it makes it very expensive. i'm sure everyone doesn't want all these airbags, and anti locks, and cd players and leather stuff, but those out there who do want it have sure made it expensive. the diesel market has done the same thing. everyone wants a powerstroke or cummins and is willingly to pay between 4 and 5 thousand for an engine alone, well they're going to make all the can, and make a new on even more powerful and more expensive.