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Dec 08, 1998 (4:58 pm)
Also, having a new model come out is the worst thing that can happen to your trade in value. I know I paid for that when my '93 F350 was sold.
Dec 08, 1998 (5:48 pm)
I hear what your saying, and I did not do my research properly before visiting with the dealer. I understood the new truck pricing but only looked at the Kelly Blue book site for the value of my truck. The trade-in price listed there is explained in their FAQ area. Trade-in price is wholesale MINUS the dealers cost of preparing the truck for resale. And if accurate, they were saying it would cost them 2000 more than average to prepare mine for sale. I also looked at the sites price of what I could expect to see my truck listed for on their lot. It was about 4000 more than what the dealer told me he would be able to list it for. This kind of rubbed me the wrong way. But this morning I have looked at Edmonds and CARPRICES for their values and lo and behold their values are more in line with what the dealer offered. I also checked Sundays wantads and found two listed that also are simaler to what the dealer said he would ask. So now I am finding the Kelly Blue Book site suspect. Also the dealer came down right away in our coversation from $1000 over invoice to $500. So we maybe much closer in price than what I thought. The $3000 difference of first offer may infact be more like $800 apart. After lunch I am visiting with a Ford SD saleman. He of course does not have a v10 on the lot, but does have a PS 4x4 supercab to see. One thing he said 6-8 weeks to order a v10 SD but I though Ford had simaler problems to Chevy. Will then visit with a Chevy Salesman at the same lot. I find new vehicle looking both exhilarating and frustrating. (G) Rich
Dec 08, 1998 (6:08 pm)
I ordered my '99 Silverado on Sept. 29 for $200 over invoice. Very fair I think! But I ended up selling my other truck because of the difference in trade-in value compared to retail value. I sold it for $1500 more than I was offered in trade. It worked out alright for me.
Dec 08, 1998 (7:48 pm)
It all depends on the dealer as far as the time it takes to get your order. Ford still can't crank out the new SD as quick as they are being ordered, but they don't have all that many delays anymore based on options, and they do appear to be closing the gap between supply and demand. If you can find a dealer who doesn't have many trucks on order, there is a good chance you can get your truck in 6-8 weeks.
A good comparison is between Stanford's order and my order. We both live in the same area and ordered almost identical trucks. Mine is a Supercab and he has the Crew Cab. I ordered from an out-of-state dealer for $99 below invoice. My dealer was way over allotment, so the average wait on an order at his dealership was about 16 weeks. He had about 20 orders and was only getting 1-2 trucks per week. Stanford did some shopping locally and had his highest priority placed on delivery time. He paid more than I did, but still got a very good price. He got his truck in less than six weeks if I'm not mistaken.
There are dealers out there who can get you these trucks pretty quick and won't rake you over the coals on the price. If you get a killer deal, make sure to ask lots of questions about how many orders the dealer currently has waiting vs how many trucks he is getting per week.
Most of us have gone through the emotions when it comes to trade-ins. For me, the answer was to sell my old truck myself. The market value of my truck was listed at about $11,000. The trade-in was about $8,000. The dealer offered $5,500. I placed a 10 day ad for $100 and sold it for $8,500. I took the first offer over the trade-in value.
The Kelley Blue Book values are an average. They don't take into account what you are paying for the new vehicle. If the average customer pays close to MSRP for their vehicle, that would likely drive the average trade-in value up since dealers are willing to give people more for their vehicle because they are making it up on the sale of the new vehicle. If you're an invoice buyer, they can only pay you what they think your trade is worth to them.
#629 of 654 back seat access from driver's side
Dec 08, 1998 (10:22 pm)
Tell me a little more about getting to the backseat from the driver's side. A local dealer let me take a new truck home a couple of weeks ago. I too was/am worried about the lack of the 4th door. And it seemed to me that it was exceedingly difficult to get to the backseat from the driver's side (even to put grocery sacks or whatever back there).
The one I took home did have the 6-way power seats, so the seat base didn't slide when the seat back was flipped forward. Does the seat base on your truck slide forward? Do you have power or manual seats? I'm just trying to figure out what might be different between yours and the one I drove.
Dec 09, 1998 (12:05 am)
I see a lot of postings recentely are related
to ordering. I am really upset about GM's slow
truck production. We are here lining up to pay
big bucks for their high profit margin trucks.
And yet, they dont want to build.
WAKE UP GM Execs!! Do loose any more customers. May be Ford has successfully infiltrated into GM's managemnet.
#631 of 654 Trade Ins
Dec 09, 1998 (2:25 am)
Another factor you need to look at with trade ins vs. selling an auto yourself is the sales tax. In Minnesota you deduct the trade in and pay sales tax for the new truck based on the difference. For example, if you are buying a $30,000 truck with a $15,000 trade in you pay sales tax on the $15,000 difference. Minnesota's 6.5% sales tax on $15,000 is $975. That puts you that much closer to what you might sell it yourself.
#632 of 654 Slide Forward Seats
Dec 09, 1998 (2:27 am)
The non-powered LS seats slide forward easily and there is little trouble in loading tool boxes, groceries or having wide body adults climb in from the driver's side.
Dec 09, 1998 (4:44 am)
Davydd, good point. For me that would be $1120 if I take the deal at this point. ...... Heard something today from I think a reliable source, but I'm having trouble believing. On the 99 chevy truck engines, they are set up so if you loose coolant, they run on one sides bank of pistons until it starts to get hot and then switches to the other bank. I am having trouble believing the side thats not firing would cool as fast as the side thats firing is heating up. Don't see anything on this in the brocheres. .... By the way, saw the Ford Superduty today, and it does have some fine features, but the Chevy is still winning for the features I prefer. To bad we cann't each build our own truck stealing parts from each of the major trucks! What a cluge. Rich
Dec 09, 1998 (2:15 pm)
I have the bench seats (not power), and there is a lever on the drivers side that tilts the seat forward and slides it all the way up - called "jump". The seat returns to its original position when pushed back. The same lever on the passenger side only tilts the seat forward. To be honest, it's less hassle using this feature than walking around the truck to open the third door unless I'm loading adult rear-seat passengers. My kids don't have a preference which side they enter/exit, but they do love the rear seat. Chevy paid alot of attention to the rear seat passengers. By the way, the bench seats are identical to the buckets absent the center console. I believe the armrest with the bench beats the console with the buckets.