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Re: Work horse [dennisctc] by srs_49
Mar 14, 2008 (2:36 am)

Replying to: dennisctc (Mar 08, 2008 3:13 pm)

I think transmissions, even automatics can go well beyond the 100K mile mark, provided they have their fluid changed regularly, regardless of what the owners manual says. There will be some that, because of a design flaw or being used in a different application (more powerful engine, for instance), are going to be problematic, no matter what you do.
 
BTW, 188,000 miles on '87 BMW 5-spd (and original clutch). Yes, given a good design, transmissions can last a long time with minimal attention.
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Re: Edmunds choice is Odyssey [artgpo] by hansienna
Mar 14, 2008 (6:46 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Mar 13, 2008 4:50 pm)

And some writers will distort facts to favor the Odyssey. Study data on 1999 Odyssey where used TMV was subtracted from MSRP to compute a phony depreciation when the REAL depreciation was MUCH HIGHER if they had subtracted the actual price they got when it was sold from the premium price above MSRP that was paid when purchased new.
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Re: Edmunds choice is Odyssey [hansienna] by artgpo
Mar 15, 2008 (5:20 am)

Replying to: hansienna (Mar 14, 2008 6:46 am)

All one needs to do is go to a web site such as www.carmax.com and compare the USED prices of an Odyssey VS any similarly equipped Chrysler minivan. Real world numbers negate your information when using late model comparisons.
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Re: Edmunds choice is Odyssey [artgpo] by artgpo
Mar 15, 2008 (5:30 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Mar 15, 2008 5:20 am)

I made myself curious so I visited Carmax's website. Here is an example:
 
2005 Odyssey EX-L $22,998
 
2005 Chrysler T&C Touring $13,998
 
Both have similar mileage and equipment. I know there was not $9,000 difference in the purchase price.
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Re: Edmunds choice is Odyssey [artgpo] by dennisctc
Mar 15, 2008 (5:35 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Mar 15, 2008 5:30 am)

Both have similar mileage and equipment. I know there was not $9,000 difference in the purchase price.
 
There was about a $10k difference when I bought my Dodge in 2005!!!
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Re: Edmunds choice is Odyssey [dennisctc] by maryh3
Mar 15, 2008 (6:26 am)

Replying to: dennisctc (Mar 15, 2008 5:35 am)

From Kelly Blue Book
 
2005 EX/L estimated mileage 40,000
                 condition "good"
                 trade-in value $16,035
 
2005 T&C Touring w/leather est mileage 40,000
                 condition "good"
                 trade-in value $11,280
 
Do it yourself at:
 
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/UsedCars/default.aspx
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Re: Work horse [srs_49] by maryh3
Mar 15, 2008 (6:37 am)

Replying to: srs_49 (Mar 14, 2008 2:36 am)

think transmissions, even automatics can go well beyond the 100K mile mark, provided they have their fluid changed regularly, regardless of what the owners manual says.
 
I agree totally. IMO transmissions ought to last 200K. My parents had a 1979 Nova that lasted 16 years and 208,000mi without transmission problems. It was "traded in" because the floor boards were rusting out along with the rest of the car. But it had a good transmission and engine!!
 
BTW 180,000 miles on 2000 T&C 4-spd automatic.
 
Talked with my trash collector who is lusting after my high mileage T&C. He has 180,000 on his 2000 Ford Windstar. Has replaced the transmission 3 times.
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Re: Edmunds BIASED choice is Odyssey [artgpo] by hansienna
Mar 15, 2008 (9:21 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Mar 15, 2008 5:30 am)

And how do you know the 2 vehicles have comparable equipment? Did you get a printout of ALL options on each?
 
There was a BIG price difference between a 2005 Ody EX-L and a 2005 Ody EX-L with NAV and RES.
 
Most used 2005 T&C Touring were rental or fleet with NO extra options.
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Re: Edmunds BIASED choice is Odyssey [hansienna] by dennisctc
Mar 15, 2008 (11:33 am)

Replying to: hansienna (Mar 15, 2008 9:21 am)

Way back in 2005, I seriously considered a Honda Ody.... Some dealers were marking them up $1500!! while Dodge dealers were discounting about $5000. If someone had taken the savings over a Honda and parked it in a savings account for 5 years earning interest, instead of financing the difference and paying interest, who's ahead? All these magazines touting Honda's magical resale value can't calculate true resale because it's impossible to know every transaction price. So they look at MSRP for both and resale for both years later, and totally disregard actual transaction price, making the Honda look vastly superior.
 
Now just wait as the dumping of 07 and 08 Ody hit the market in about a year.... I'm seeing discounts of $4000 on EX-Ls on this forum. I got $3000 off a 2008 Ody EX-L from Sam's Club without even making a phone call. I'm itching for a new vehicle but leaning towards a Buick Enclave due to superior towing over a minivan.
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2009 redesign of Odyssey? by tnbchick
Mar 15, 2008 (11:58 am)
I heard 2009 would see a redesign. Is this true? If so, does anyone know what changes it will bring? I'd love to see Swivel seats like Chrysler's Town and Country.
 
thanks,
tnbchick

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