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Re: Work horse [maryh3] by sebring95
Feb 07, 2008 (2:54 pm)

Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 07, 2008 12:26 pm)

I can buy most of that. Most import vehicles are more expensive to buy and IMHO more likely to be owned by more passionate vehicle buyers. The (realistically) small performance characteristics, better materials, better fit/finish are more important to a lot of people (guilty to some degree). Just like luxury brand buyers are obviously more interested in "things" as opposed to usefulness. Those more passionate car buyers are more likely to take care of their vehicles and maintain them impeccably. I'm probably somewhere in the middle really, and I've been known to buy a Chevy/Dodge/Honda/Toyota/Audi/VW/etc......whatever I'm in the mood for at the moment. I have a relative however that takes absolutely no care of his vehicles. He might change the oil. He'll run the tires until there are sparks coming off of them. He'd never spend the extra coin on a Honda/Toyota. His vehicles are complete appliances and he doesn't care one way or the other if it shakes, smokes, rattles, clunks, etc. just so it gets from point A to point B. If it doesn't make it, then he'll work on it until it will.
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Re: Work horse [marine2] by maryh3
Feb 07, 2008 (4:49 pm)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 07, 2008 2:33 pm)

LOL -- guilty as charged. I STILL have never changed my antifreeze either. But then again I am a big fan of "don't fix what isn't broken". I had a Mustang many years ago which was having no problems. But the quick lube guy recommended that I back flush the radiator and change the anitfreeze. I did this and the car never was as good. The heat was cold and the radiator developed rust. Ethylene Glycol does not wear out but some say the rust inhibitors do. OTOH 8 years and 178K miles looks pretty good to me.
 
I religiously change my oil every 5,000 miles and I flush my transmission every 60,000 miles. Other than that I do not follow the scheduled maintainence. I change brake pads when they are worn out, batteries when they die, and belts when they are worn out.
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Re: Work horse [sebring95] by maryh3
Feb 07, 2008 (4:59 pm)

Replying to: sebring95 (Feb 07, 2008 2:54 pm)

The (realistically) small performance characteristics, better materials, better fit/finish are more important to a lot of people (guilty to some degree).
 
I agree with this except that if you pay more -- as much as you do the imports, you also get better materials, fit and finish and comfort in American autos. That is why I got a T&C Limited. Those materials are not cheap and the car rides and drives quite comfortably. The bottom-of-the-line Toyota uses cheap materials too. I believe Honda gets a pass here from me. Their bottom-of-the-line doesn't use as cheap oi materials as do their competitiors. But until recently is was more expensive.
 
I agree that the import drivers do maintain their alleged higher-performing vehicles better that your average Joe American driver who beats it to crap then complains because it has a problem. I still can't believe my hubby's $1200 maintainence bill -- which he never complains about unlike an American auto driver who would complain loudly about any $1200 auto repair bill yet alone maintainence.
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Re: Work horse [marine2] by shipo
Feb 07, 2008 (9:11 pm)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 07, 2008 2:33 pm)

"You maybe right on some Americans vehicle owners not servicing their vehicles enough.My brother is one who doesn't maintain his minivan the way he should. He'll go 6-7,000 miles before changing the oil and filter. He was in need of a brake job on his old one but never got it done before trading it in for this 2006 Dodge minivan. He blows out the dirt on his air filter two or three times before replacing it."
 
You make it sound like you're brother is abusing his van. Yes, no? To me at least it sounds like is that he's maintaining it pretty well. FWIW, I go between ten and twelve thousand miles on an oil change and maybe fifty thousand miles on an airfilter (without ever blowing it out even once) for both of our DGCs. The vans have over a combined quarter of a million miles on them and still run as well as the day they rolled off the showroom floor, still return excellent fuel economy, and still burn only about a quart of oil every seven to eight thousand miles.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Work horse [maryh3] by marig0107
Feb 08, 2008 (7:13 am)

Replying to: maryh3 (Feb 07, 2008 12:26 pm)

never owned an Odyssey so I can't say. We've owned a few clunkers that we bought cheap in college. The 93 Dodge Shadow we bought new and my 16 year old is driving that now, so yes, you can say we took care of her and maintained her quite nicely. The V6 caravan we bought brand new in 98 and tried to maintain her, but she more than crippled us with repairs. Sometimes you just get lemons, no matter what brand.
 
I have only read about happy caravan owners, so it's funny, we are totally at odds. I ONLY know odyssey owners that love their vehicles and caravan owners that hated theirs. Even met a guy at DD dance class that said he rented one, parked it and somehow had to chase the thing down the street. Is it my freaking destiny not to physically meet a satisfied owner.
 
Sometimes I want to stop the boxy caravan owners and talk about their car, the longevity. But the used car dealer gladly traded in the van and gave us a tacoma, so I imagine somewhere in town, some poor family desperately wants a van. Hopefully the dealer will fix the power steering and the a/c heating (yet again, altho this time first time for the heat).
 
Anyway, as always, no matter what the brand, I wish everyone the best of luck in their cars. I don't wish anyone the repairs and insecurity of driving around a lemony car.
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Re: Work horse [marine2] by picky7
Feb 08, 2008 (2:24 pm)

Replying to: marine2 (Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am)

I have my first Honda Odyssey in Nov. 2007 and I bought 2007. I have same issue and also an other concern which it is giving me 14 miles a gallon. Is that normal or not. I had a Dodge and it was giving me 19 mile in town and 27 mile on high way. I went to the dealer and he said this car is just fine and you are getting low milage due to cold weather. I told me him that is does not matter because they make car for this market and must know about the weather condition in the state. So how about your average per gallon ? I am sure that Honda is more copy cat. I drove 2300 miles so far and I am not very happy as compare dodge and Chrysler. Too much noise on the road. Making sound at the time of shifting.
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Re: Work horse [picky7] by artgpo
Feb 09, 2008 (7:21 am)

Replying to: picky7 (Feb 08, 2008 2:24 pm)

My 2006 Odyssey has a little over 40,000 miles. The gas mileage has never changed since Day 1: 20 mpg overall and about 25 mpg highway. The lowest mpg I get is 19 in city driving.
 
The Odyssey noisier than some other minis. This is a Honda trait. My son's 2008 Sienna is very quiet. The transmission on the Odyssey is very smooth and quiet.
 
I change the oil when the service computer indicates a change is required, usually about 8,000 - 9,000 miles. Nothing but Mobil 1 has been used since the first change. Wal-Mart changes the oil most times (once in a while at the dealer). On Monday the van goes to the dealer for a brake check as I have symptoms indicative of warped rotors.
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Re: Work horse [artgpo] by shipo
Feb 09, 2008 (10:34 am)

Replying to: artgpo (Feb 09, 2008 7:21 am)

Our neighbor's Odyssey has suffered from recurring warped brake rotors as well (as did our Gen 3 DGC). During the summer of 2006 I recommended a set of cross-drilled Brembo rotors for their van along with a set of ceramic pads (a fix I had already used on our Caravan). They couldn't find a shop to do the work so I did it in my driveway. When I pulled their old rotors off (with only about 20,000 miles on then), the run-out was so pronounced that it could easily be seen by just putting a square along the face of the rotor.
 
I'm happy to say that nearly 30,000 miles later those drilled rotors still stop their Odyssey straight and true with nary a pulse in the pedal.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Work horse [shipo] by hansienna
Mar 02, 2008 (7:58 am)

Replying to: shipo (Feb 09, 2008 10:34 am)

Our daughter's 1999 GC SE is running well at 107,000 miles and my sister's 2001 Ody EX is also running well at 88,000 miles. Both have had a few minor repairs.
 
Based on family experience, the Grand Caravan and the Odyssey are very reliable.
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Re: with some luck [marig0107] by marig0107
Mar 05, 2008 (6:44 am)

Replying to: marig0107 (Nov 18, 2007 9:34 am)

update...............it worked out for dh. He got his Toyota Tacoma and is delighted. Even better, they took the van for way more than it's worth with some cash, of course. It is amazing to not feel that stress with the van sitting outside.
 
And btw, was reading the new issue of Consumer Reports, check it out. It is an eye opener. Listed as one of the worst cars to buy, you guess it, the 1998 Caravan V6 model. Guess who owned that one? Nice to know I wasn't totally crazy! I thought it had to be ONLY my van that was the pain in the posterior.
 
Anyway, thanx for everyone's well wishes. They were so appreciated. You let me vent all I wanted about that van and were never mean or rude. There was only one person once and he got the boot. I was afraid to write in, but everyone here was very nice.

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